MAN and Inexperienced Registered Nurses

gambutrol · Jun 30, 2009

messageinabox,

As far as I know, only supervisory positions require masteral units.. Nurse II positions does not require masteral units..

K-Ann · Jun 30, 2009

messageinabox,
Is MAN a requirement in your hospital for promotion for NII position.. Here at PGH it is not a requirement because I am already NII without the masteral degree and it does not speed up the promotion.. I think MAN is a prerogative for the Head Nurse position up until the Chief Nurse and NVI positions.. here at pgh you'll be qualified for the NII position after two consecutive Very Satisfactory to Outstanding Performance Evaluation from your seniors.. NII BTW just means you're already permanent, whereas NI means you're contractual.. and of course you'll have higher salary grade.. I don't know if this is the same with other public hospitals across the country.. enlighten me please if I am mistaken..

I used to work in a government hospital too, and I think having a few units will give you and edge.

gambutrol · Jul 1, 2009

@ilovegabe

I am currently working in a public hospital.. I have 9 units in masteral.. It's not an advantage as of the moment.. maybe if I'll hold higher positions in my unit then that will be that time when I could utilize this..

anyways, this is off topic..

going back to the topic.. as what I have posted earlier this week, I believe that noobie nurses are just making the most of their time by taking up masterals..

rogue2578 · Jul 1, 2009

Good point gambutrol! Its also interesting to discuss how Graduate school units can assist an employed RN to acquire higher positions in hospital. You have mention that it doesn't help if your a newbie?! or a starter? or Nurse II perhaps? but for a somebody who has been established and holds tenure then recognizes a person's graduate school diploma.

Thats what I was trying to say. Even if a inexperience rn has finished his/her graduate school. Does it increase chances of being employed in a HOSPITAL SETTING? (NOT employment on a nursing research facilities or Schools , Health Centers, Corporate Clinics)... Comments? Thoughts?

rogue2578 · Jul 1, 2009

Good point gambutrol! Its also interesting to discuss how Graduate school units can assist an employed RN to acquire higher positions in hospital. You have mention that it doesn't help if your a newbie?! or a starter? or Nurse II perhaps? but for a somebody who has been established and holds tenure then recognizes a person's graduate school diploma.

Thats what I was trying to say. Even if a inexperience rn has finished his/her graduate school. Does it increase chances of being employed in a HOSPITAL SETTING? (NOT employment on a nursing research facilities or Schools , Health Centers, Corporate Clinics)... Comments? Thoughts?

rogue2578 · Jul 1, 2009

But the argument so far being discuss that if you are going to kill time, kill time with a purpose. Like Enrolling into graduate school , that in my opinion it is worth taking or investing . But the fact of the matter is at the end of the road... maybe still UNEMPLOYED?.. Comments?

gambutrol · Jul 2, 2009

rogue,

Their are different perspectives into what you are saying. Definitely, it is not a guarantee that you'll be employed in a hospital if you'll finish masteral studies but at least you have done something productive with the extra time that you have while waiting to be employed. I think this is better than being at home and waiting for blessings to come to you.

rogue2578 · Jul 2, 2009

One student from the class says , "MAN is just a fallback" something worth doing to pass the time.

Indeed Graduate schools are a good shape.

messageinabox · Jul 2, 2009

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with taking up MAN as "something worth doing to pass the time".

It is BETTER to learn something or anything than do nothing.

IMO, I think it is better not to be judgmental on people simply because we have created a set of standards for our own that if some people fell short, that they are less the individuals they are.

Nursing volunteer positions are VERY HARD to come by. Let alone a PAID nursing job. These nurses maybe are taking up MAN as a fallback due to inexperience (because they couldn't land a job) and desperation to "get on" to nursing. I believe that if the situation is different, these nurses will prefer to go into nursing practice first then consider MAN to further their careers (which is ideal).

Rogue, I know you mean well and your points are valid. Consider yourself very lucky, among the few of those who are blessed with experience. The path you've chosen is ideal, experience first then MAN. Please give these poor inexperienced nurses the benefit of the doubt. If they erred, please correct them. Allow them the chance and the space to grow.

Peace! :heartbeat

gambutrol · Jul 3, 2009

cheers to that messageinabox! well written..

Harlene · Jul 11, 2009

I have a question, where is the best school to study MAN? I believe not all universities are accepting inexperienced nurses, is this true?

Icecandy · Jul 17, 2009

Yes, others like UP Manila, require at least 1 year hospital experience but other schools (like Concordia College) do not require it.

Actually, I'm a part of that MSN-student-lacking-hospital-experience group. I used to work in a call center which has an educational assistance program. I grabbed that opportunity while working as an agent. I try to make up by: studying while working, studying at home, studying during vacant time... Because I don't have hospital experience. My classmates that time? Nurse managers, Clinical instructors, tenured staff nurses. I feel like an idiot as I don't have a story to tell about recent hospital bloopers etc.

1 year later..... I'm now a volunteer nurse, and already taking my advanced units in MSN. Studying MSN now is more meaningful as I can integrate theory with practice. I agree with messageinabox, having experience in a hospital setting first is almost always better and beneficial before taking up your masters.

We're just making the most out of the current Nursing situation. Getting tenured hospital experience/work nowadays is challenging and exasperating. Most tertiary hospitals are on hiring freeze. And if we do get a nursing job, it's probably unpaid, and a few can survive that for too long because we also deserve to be compensated and we can't depend on our parents' money for the rest of our lives.