Most of us are eager to discover as to how the DECEMBER visa bulletin will look like. Days more to count and it shall be out. Hoping that it shall carry good news to everybody waiting in line for yers now.
I pray hard that PD (cut-off date) shall move forward. Even a modest/conservative movement will do, so long as its moving.
Please dare to share your thoughts on the upcoming VB.
Godbless and keep the hope high and faith burning.:redbeathe
Just keep on praying that PD will move for December. There is nothing wrong with that. I do not have any clue as to what movement Dec PD would have. I can only hope for the best for all of you.
No one knows the future of immigration in the US. One can only predict and give an opinion but that is only how far it can go. Again, nobody knows the future of immigration in the US. Not even the present president, nor the next one nor the best immigration lawyers of America. Nobody knows! How much more from people in this forum?
I have nothing against people who dream to come here and work. I have been to many facilities that are in dire need of nurses that locals can't even fill. Overtime is always an option but there is only much one can do.
Hold on to your dreams and do not let anybody take that dream away from you. Good luck foreign nurses!
thanks for this encouragement.personally it made my day.all we have left is to dream ,pray and hope.
Just to clear up a few misconceptions that I see being posted here. In order to work as a travel nurse in the US, you must have a couple of years of work experience in the US as you are expected to be able to jump into an assignment without any orientation to nursing duties. Perhaps to the computer system being used as well as charting and policies for the facility, but no orientation as to how to do anything for the most part.
Yes, travel nurses are usually paid less than the hospital staff; however, they get their housing and living expenses covered so they actually come out ahead in the long run in most cases and do not pay taxes on the accomodations if they have a legal residence somewhere else.
When hospitals are only busy at certain times of the year, it is more cost effective to bring in a travel nurse, or when they have openings in some specialty areas such as OR. They may need a nurse to immediate fill a job, but if they hire an employee, they have to put them thru the full orientation and it will be weeks to even months before they can be put on the schedule and funtion on their own. The travel nurse will function on their own from day one.
But it still comes down to that there are also not as many travel jobs around as there were 6 months ago, and many facilities are no longer wishing to guarantee a 48 hour week, but only a 36 hour week. This means a lower pay for the travel nurse as well as housing is based on what the guaranteed hours are per week.
So do not think that only the foreign nurse is being hit with economic issues here right now, the Americans are feeling it too. This is why it is going to be harder to get a visa with what is happening all over. Again, if a hospital has a hiring freeze in place or has lay-offs, then there is no way that they are going to be able to bring over a foreign nurse, no matter how many years that they have been waiting. This is the point that I am making.
Other issue is that visas are releasted on a quarterly period, not every month when you look at how things are done. That is why when there were no visas this summer, one had to wait for the next quarter for things to open up at the earliest. So do not expect things to really do anything before January at best. Also remember that much of the staff in the US Embassies overseas also come back to the US for the holidays or they go somewhere else, so any interviews that would happen would be severely limited.
There are really only the first two weeks where anything will be staffed somewhat normally, especially in terms of visas and other issues like that.
Hi nightingale...glad to hear your file is already in the US Embassy in Riyadh. There is good chance that you will be interviewed this December. NVC only forwards the file to the Embassy when it is to be scheduled for interview. At least you do not have to update documents at the NVC which makes it faster when your PD does become current. Goodluck and let us know if you receive your packet 4.
I used to be a bit skeptical of the work shortages for nurses because I live in an area where jobs abound. However, I am precepting a student nurse from a local university and she told me that they just laid off all the nurse externs at a local hospital and this hospital used to have multiple positions but is now on a hiring freeze.
What a lot of foreign nurses don't realize and what I have gleaned from the media with this economic crunch is that large organizations have an issue with payroll. A lot of organizations borrow money for payroll and with the economic crisis that is impacting healthcare also.
Typically this time of year we get a lot of people to Arizona from other states and most nurses can practically call the shots when they want to work and how much but lately I am not hearing that. I have not noticed any issues with low census by any means on our floor but I am hearing that from others.
It is sad news for those that are waiting but I don't think I would be in my current positin if I was attempting to do it now. I don't think my manager regrets having had the cost for my recruitment since I am very involved on our floor and active with several committees and have done well. However, I think having had training in the US has made it easier for all.
I know our hospital is one of the few that did petitions for foreign nurses even a few years ago when retrogression just started, but that is getting harder.
Sadly I have to agree with many of the posters that appear negative to some, but they are right. Even American new grads find it difficult to find work due to their lack of experience. It is a major investment with a new grad as it takes a good year before that orientation is truly compensated for the employer. And to an employer if they have to choose between a nurse educated in the US and one that requires a petition it is not a difficult choice. I have also noticed there might even be a bit of a preference given to BSN grads also. It seems most of the nurses who have been hired lately have their BSN in hand. That is not an issue for those from the Philippines though I guses. But in the US there are still more ADN's gradutating than BSN's and anything that you have over another candidate is looked at now. This may be unwelcome news but it is reality right now.
It is hard to say how this will impact other countries as the economic crisis is worldwide. We love it in the US and are delighted we are here but the truth remains that just as a mother is loyal to her own children so is a country loyal to its own citizens first. If we had to leave we would be unhappy but realize that reality is what reality is.
I really don't forsee a lot of progress with retrogression because I have seen firsthand how the economy is impacting everything right now. It is hard for all to get credit even with great credit scores and stable careers. This has been my experience. With such instability most lenders are unwilling to take ANY risks right now. So as Suzanne has constantly been stating it might be wise to look at another country to gain some experience until the climate of the economy improves but that is not predicted to happen anytime soon.
Thanks for the post, yes many hospitals have to take a loan to meet payroll and the banks are not giving loans! And payroll by law is the first bill that needs to be paid.
Sounds like you are a great asset to your unit. My experience with foreign trained nurses is that they are in overtime than committee work, of course that is my own experience and not representative of every foreign nurse.
A question for you, when does it become important to inform foreign nurses that the change of getting the US dream is becoming next to impossible to be had? Arizone use to be a place where any nurse could get a position on now you are telling me it is very hard for a new grad to get employment.
It has been my experience that BSN preferred, ASN next and then foreign trained nurses ( even with experience!). In my area new nurses are lookign for employment... haven't seen a hospital petition for a nurse in years.
In fact PBS did a special about the nursing shortage in 2020 and never mentioned foreign nurses as an answer only educating new nurses.
Thanks for the post, yes many hospitals have to take a loan to meet payroll and the banks are not giving loans! And payroll by law is the first bill that needs to be paid.
Sounds like you are a great asset to your unit. My experience with foreign trained nurses is that they are in overtime than committee work, of course that is my own experience and not representative of every foreign nurse.
A question for you, when does it become important to inform foreign nurses that the change of getting the US dream is becoming next to impossible to be had? Arizone use to be a place where any nurse could get a position on now you are telling me it is very hard for a new grad to get employment.
It has been my experience that BSN preferred, ASN next and then foreign trained nurses ( even with experience!). In my area new nurses are lookign for employment... haven't seen a hospital petition for a nurse in years.
In fact PBS did a special about the nursing shortage in 2020 and never mentioned foreign nurses as an answer only educating new nurses.
Thanks for you update.
I am not a foreign trained nurse...but a foreign born nurse.
It is not impossible to get hired in Arizona as a new grad but this is the first time I have heard of any such hiring freeze. Our hospital hires a LOT of new grads but when there are enough nurses around of course new grads are not the first choice. And your option of who gets hired is exactly right. And if you are a new grad and a foreigner that would make it twice as difficult.
Where are you located?
I was told that our hospital is now the ONLY one in the valley in Phoenix that does petitions anymore. There just is no need I guess.
And Canadians can still come on a TN and they usually come with experience so it is not like there is a need to recruit in other countries any longer. I have heard about that shortage but as Suzanne has mentioned there are many nurses who have left the profession going back to it due to job losses in other fields.
Things have really changed and as much as so many people want the same dream it has become a lot more difficult. I never really believed it either until I found this all out recently but it appears to be a growing trend that the difficulty is getting more extreme all the time. It does not serve anyone's purpose to not face the reality of the difficulty ahead. Patience is critical but even so it seems that the things from the past are just not possible any longer. When I tell Americans what is involved they are shocked but that is just the reality today.
I live in the Boston area, but my son is a student at ASU and lives in Tempe. I can't believe how much cheaper the cost of living is in AZ ! I can see a nurse's salary can go so much farther in AZ.
I can appreciate why someone would what to come to the USA. But the "dream" is not the same as it was a decade ago.
Files actually get forwarded when they are completed, not just when they are assigned a visa number.
I disagree with you...it depends on the Consular post. In Manila, the files are not forwarded to them by NVC until an interview sched has been set since the NVC schedules the interview...I think this is also the case for Riyadh. If files are forwarded when they are completed as you claimed, then our files should have been at the embassy in 2006 since we have been declared doc qualified/file complete by NVC in Aug 2006, then again in July 2007, then again May 2008 so how come our file is still with NVC? So you see I have a basis to disagree. That is why I am happy for Nightingale since her file was finally forwarded to the Riyadh embassy.
I disagree with you...it depends on the Consular post. In Manila, the files are not forwarded to them by NVC until an interview sched has been set since the NVC schedules the interview...I think this is also the case for Riyadh. If files are forwarded when they are completed as you claimed, then our files should have been at the embassy in 2006 since we have been declared doc qualified/file complete by NVC in Aug 2006, then again in July 2007, then again May 2008 so how come our file is still with NVC? So you see I have a basis to disagree. That is why I am happy for Nightingale since her file was finally forwarded to the Riyadh embassy.
Point of order,Hey I'm a guy!!! hehehe but really I agree with you. Very well said. I so believe that if an applicant PD is about ot be current, plus your file is declared as doc qualified and a visa number has been alloted, then the NVC will be all out ready to forward the case to the local consular post for further consular processing. I disagreee to anyone who says FILES ACTUALLY GET FORWARDED WHEN THEY ARE COMPLETE, its not a complete formula my dearest.
Let's continue to pray. For all those waiting in line, pray doubly hard this time. Godbless everybody
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thanks for this encouragement.personally it made my day.all we have left is to dream ,pray and hope.