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i have been a cna for the last 20 yrs. i have worked in numerous facilities. i have never had to report anyone i worked with for abuse. i had never seen any of my co -workers abuse a patient.

as a mandatory reporter, how does that work when you have witnessed elderly abuse on a personal level ??

i know i should report it cause it is the right thing to do. but how does that affect my cna certification if i don't ?? (although i plan on doing it if the abuser does not follow thru on the conditions that were made to her).

my mother in law has been taking care of her elderly dementia sister. i have witnessed her abuse her physically, emotionally and mentally. my husband and i keep telling her to put her in a home but she won't cause she says the dr. won't do it. my husband told her that if she didn't have her sister to another doctor and in a nursing home by the end of jan. that i would be calling aps. now my mother in law also has her 16 yo daughter and her niece (the sisters daughter) living with her. i have offered my help and it was refused. the other day i witnessed my mother in law hit her sister on the head with a rolled up magazine and yell at her to "open your eyes". i told her that that was considered elderly abuse and that she could get in trouble for it. my mother in law cussed me up one side and down the other and then hit my on the head with the same rolled up magazine, not to mention she has her tied in a wheelchair with scarves. i told my husband what had happen and that as a mandated reported i have a legal obligation to report her. if something were to happen the sister and there was suspected abuse and an investigation was called, if they were to interview us, they are gonna come at me for having a medical background and not reporting it. i will not jeopardize my career or my chance at nursing school because his mother is abusive.

so my question is, would my certification be at stake if i were not to report it (i plan on doing it if she does not have her to a doctor and in a home by the end of jan.) my mother in law is trying to tell my husband that they can't take my certification. that i am not legally obliged to report it because she's not in a nursing home, nor is there home health. (which she has needed for sometime now. although i think she would be better off in a nursing home.) what advice do you have for me. i'm really stuck in a pickle right now. my mother in law and i had a fairly decent relationship up until now. my husband supports me but my mother in law can be very persuasive to.

thx in advance.

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.

You already know the answer. You need to call APS now.

Since you are worried about your CNA/future nursing license. If your MIL does place her sister in a LTC facility in January and the facility detects signs of physical/mental/emotional abuse and institutes and investigation do your really believe that your MIL won't say "Well she saw it and didn't do anything about it?" thereby making you an accomplice to your husband's aunt's abuse & neglect.

It sounds like your MIL's sister cannot advocate for herself. Plus, her daughter & niece are now witnessing this substandard, if not criminal, behavior of your MIL.

Regardless of mandatory reporting laws, you should have called the police when you witnessed your MIL commit battery on her sister (and then to you with the rolled up magazine). The role of caregiver can be very frustrating BUT that does not excuse your MIL's actions. Call now. Just like CPS, APS calls can be anonymous if needed. Calling your MIL's sister's physician probably won't garner any useful information due to HIPAA.

Call now.

One other thought, if you saw your MIL do this to say an 18-month old would you stand idly by? Same concept.

i would hate to be in your shoes.....just follow through with what you know is right....imagine this: your sister is taking care of you when you're elderly...would you want the same thing for yourself?

good luck and i wish you all the best.

i have been a cna for the last 20 yrs. i have worked in numerous facilities. i have never had to report anyone i worked with for abuse. i had never seen any of my co -workers abuse a patient.

as a mandatory reporter, how does that work when you have witnessed elderly abuse on a personal level ??

i know i should report it cause it is the right thing to do. but how does that affect my cna certification if i don't ?? (although i plan on doing it if the abuser does not follow thru on the conditions that were made to her).

my mother in law has been taking care of her elderly dementia sister. i have witnessed her abuse her physically, emotionally and mentally. my husband and i keep telling her to put her in a home but she won't cause she says the dr. won't do it. my husband told her that if she didn't have her sister to another doctor and in a nursing home by the end of jan. that i would be calling aps. now my mother in law also has her 16 yo daughter and her niece (the sisters daughter) living with her. i have offered my help and it was refused. the other day i witnessed my mother in law hit her sister on the head with a rolled up magazine and yell at her to "open your eyes". i told her that that was considered elderly abuse and that she could get in trouble for it. my mother in law cussed me up one side and down the other and then hit my on the head with the same rolled up magazine, not to mention she has her tied in a wheelchair with scarves. i told my husband what had happen and that as a mandated reported i have a legal obligation to report her. if something were to happen the sister and there was suspected abuse and an investigation was called, if they were to interview us, they are gonna come at me for having a medical background and not reporting it. i will not jeopardize my career or my chance at nursing school because his mother is abusive.

so my question is, would my certification be at stake if i were not to report it (i plan on doing it if she does not have her to a doctor and in a home by the end of jan.) my mother in law is trying to tell my husband that they can't take my certification. that i am not legally obliged to report it because she's not in a nursing home, nor is there home health. (which she has needed for sometime now. although i think she would be better off in a nursing home.) what advice do you have for me. i'm really stuck in a pickle right now. my mother in law and i had a fairly decent relationship up until now. my husband supports me but my mother in law can be very persuasive to.

thx in advance.

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.

Mandated reporter or not, who cares?

I find it disgusting that you would entertain the thought of doing anything but reporting this immediately.

Specializes in Gerontological Nursing, Acute Rehab.
Mandated reporter or not, who cares?

I find it disgusting that you would entertain the thought of doing anything but reporting this immediately.

Short, sweet, succinct, and RIGHT ON!

I'm sorry, I know you are in a difficult position, but why are you even concerned with your CNA license? What does that have to do with the fact that you've witnessed an elderly woman who cannot defend herself being abused? Family or not, it needs to be reported.

Like another posted mentioned, if you saw a caretaker hit an infant over the head, would you question your responsibilities or ask about what the legal ramifications were? I would certainly hope not.

The elderly are just as helpless as children. Even more so, because in some societies, they have no value. We will have to answer for that one day. Make sure you don't have to.

Short, sweet, succinct, and RIGHT ON!

I'm sorry, I know you are in a difficult position, but why are you even concerned with your CNA license? What does that have to do with the fact that you've witnessed an elderly woman who cannot defend herself being abused? Family or not, it needs to be reported.

Like another posted mentioned, if you saw a caretaker hit an infant over the head, would you question your responsibilities or ask about what the legal ramifications were? I would certainly hope not.

The elderly are just as helpless as children. Even more so, because in some societies, they have no value. We will have to answer for that one day. Make sure you don't have to.

Agree, Agree Agree.

You can start looking at some LTCs in the area too.

Specializes in LTC, ER, ICU, Psych, Med-surg...etc....

First, I agree with the other posters who have stated that morally as a human being you have the obligation to report this. You do. Your obligation does not end when you clock out of whatever job you are working. That would be the same as saying if you know CPR and you found someone in an arrest situation, would you not do what you know in order to save them? What if an "off-duty" police officer or fireman, or EMT or Nurse or CNA found you on the side of the road? Should they pass you by because they are "off duty"? Sorry if this is a little strong....however, when you took that "unsaid" oath to care for other human beings, you made them "your business" and that does not stop when you clock out. Legally, if something happens to these people and it comes out that you had knowledge, because of your status you could be as responsible as the person who committed the crime...just saying....it is your decision.

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