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If hospitals require 85% BSN...

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Does that necessarily make ADN obsolete???

Supposing someone was in good standing with a Rehab Place as a CNA. Said person then gets an ADN and continues to work at said Rehab Place. Then the person attempts to apply at a Hospital.

How would having an ADN impact said persons chances of getting hired???

VANurse2010

Has 6 years experience.

I'm not sure we're at the point of ADNs being obsolete - as evidenced by the massive number of ADN programs and ADN graduates that get churned out every year. The type of setting and type of hospital that hires ADNs is narrowing - but that's heavily dependent on geographic area. Part of this is a reflection that it's an employers market now. The tune may change when another nursing shortage hits.

Do ADN face difficulty in terms of moving from one state to another versus BSN???

joanna73, BSN, RN

Specializes in geriatrics.

Depends where you live, but the BSN is becoming the standard for many facilities. Get your BSN if you're able to do so.

Surprised1, MSN, RN

Specializes in pediatric neurology and neurosurgery. Has 9 years experience.

My hospital will only hire BSNs. They have given current ADNs until 2015 to begin pursuing their BSN.

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Pete, I've been following your posts all over the site. And answering some. But it seems you are asking a hundred questions before READING anything that's already here! Upper right hand corner, there is a search bar. Type in some key words, and read through the hundreds of threads on the topics that interest you.

I'm not trying to discourage you from asking questions, questions are good. But it seems you aren't doing even the basic research that might prove useful to know WHAT questions you need to ask, you just see a response to something you've posted and continue to ask more questions....without following up on what the members have been telling you.

Doesn't that make sense?

Nonyvole, BSN, RN

Specializes in Emergency.

Pete - you've asked these questions before. Take a look at some of the answers that you've been given, maybe, and then branch off from there with new ones?

You've already said that you're planning on getting your CNA and then going for your RN. Do that, and then you can really start to worry about how easily you can move from one state to another, because at this point in time, people can only hypothesize about what will happen in the future.

It's easy to say that hospitals won't hire ADNs, it's easy to say that the IOM has made a suggestion - which they themselves have admitted is not a feasible action - about getting rid of ADN programs. It's much, much harder in truth to actually have those things occur for a multitude of reasons.

Plus, think about the numbers that you're asking about. If a hospital requires 85% of their nurses to hold a BSN, what about the other 15%? Do those 85% have to be fresh from obtaining their BSN, or could some of their current ADN-trained nurses attend a RN-BSN program? Will they grandfather in current nursing staff, and work on their hiring ratios so that the end goal is that 85%? Again, nobody by the hospital administration at that particular hospital knows. We can theorize until the cows come home, but none of us are Doctor Who, able to leap freely through time to find out the truth.

blondy2061h, MSN, RN

Specializes in Oncology. Has 15 years experience.

It would be extremely hard for a new grad ADN to get a job at a facility aiming for 85% BSN since that 15% of other nurses allowed would be going to experienced nurses who had been working there 20 years.

Try to get your BSN. I'm currently enroll in an RN-BSN program. Hopefully with the help of God I pass all my exams. Then I will have one more semester left before I attain my BSN. I live in Houston. Right now most of the hospitals in the medical center requires a BSN plus at least year of experience. The only way you can get a job in the medical center right away with an BSN degree is that you get into the graduate nurse program. The only other big time company that hire ADN is Memorial Herman which a few of my classmates has got into. Methodist and I believe St. Lukes require BSN. BSN is definitely more flexible in finding jobs. I believe ADN will soon be like LVN.

NurseGirl525, ASN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

Try to get your BSN. I'm currently enroll in an RN-BSN program. Hopefully with the help of God I pass all my exams. Then I will have one more semester left before I attain my BSN. I live in Houston. Right now most of the hospitals in the medical center requires a BSN plus at least year of experience. The only way you can get a job in the medical center right away with an BSN degree is that you get into the graduate nurse program. The only other big time company that hire ADN is Memorial Herman which a few of my classmates has got into. Methodist and I believe St. Lukes require BSN. BSN is definitely more flexible in finding jobs. I believe ADN will soon be like LVN.

I disagree with this. First of all, a LPN can very easily find a job in my area. There is nothing wrong with it they just have a differing scope of practice. ADN trained nurses can and will continue to get jobs. They are charge nurses and DONs. They are not going away. The schools would not exist if no one was hiring them. It's easy for many people to say oh that hospital wants a BSN and that is why I wasn't hired, when in all actuality they have a terrible resume and interviewing skills. Just going to nursing school does not guarantee anyone a job. People seem to think that is how it works. I'm not saying that about all people, I know CA is a very impacted state.

I disagree with this. First of all, a LPN can very easily find a job in my area. There is nothing wrong with it they just have a differing scope of practice. ADN trained nurses can and will continue to get jobs. They are charge nurses and DONs. They are not going away. The schools would not exist if no one was hiring them. It's easy for many people to say oh that hospital wants a BSN and that is why I wasn't hired, when in all actuality they have a terrible resume and interviewing skills. Just going to nursing school does not guarantee anyone a job. People seem to think that is how it works. I'm not saying that about all people, I know CA is a very impacted state.

Did you read where I put that I'm in Houston? If you live in Houston you would know. The LVNs that I work with use to work at hospitals before hospitals start requiring them to go back to school to get an RN. Now the ADN are require at leas an BSN to go to the big time hospitals in the medical center. Please read before you make any comments like that. I only mention Texans in general. The other LVNs that work with me have been applying for months and no one has hire them. Some have told me they stuck with the job because no one is hiring them. If they were then they would of left long time ago.

Blab all you want but lvn are no longer hired here in Houston at the major hospitals. Long term care, psych, and rehab places are the only ones hiring RN. The reason it is hard to find jobs is that the LVN that are currently working at those facilities are not quitting because they have a hard time finding jobs at other places.

The reason a lot of schools still exist is that they make the students into false believers. The only reason I found a job is because I know the charge nurse where I'm working at. A bunch more of my fellow classmates found a job through networking. They already knew someone working at a hospital. There were 123 of us out of the ADN program. Some are still not finding jobs. We graduated in May 2013 and some pass the NCLEX a month after. I got mine in October 2013. I prayed and prayed and finally was called to get a job after 4 job interviews. The ones that enrolled right away in the RN-BSN program are currently working at big time hospitals now that have their BSN degree. It is very hard to find a job now if you don't have a BSN. Even the small hospitals where I did clinicals at wanted their nurses to go back to school to get the bachelors. I know this for a fact as those nurses were very nice and personal. They were nurses in the OR that has been working there for a long time. The hospital gave them an option of paying for the tuition for them to go back to school. BSN give hospitals a higher recognition.

If you don't believe this then your only kidding with yourself. Please don't think just because they have an easy time finding jobs at your place doesn't mean it is like that nationwide. I'm not here to bash LVN or ADN because I'm an ADN going to school to be a BSN. If BSN wasn't very important then why do you think I'm wasting my time and money along with stress to go to school and work at the same time.

All of the BSN nurses that I knew with at least 1 year of experience had a very easy time finding jobs. Interview skills and working experience helps indeed, but if you read most of the wanted jobs. It clearly states BSN as a requirement.

Here are just a few links by simply googling.

http://online.annamaria.edu/rn-bsn/resource/bsn-degrees-becoming-a-requirementhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/education/changing-requirements-send-nurses-back-to-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/education/changing-requirements-send-nurses-back-to-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0http://www.villanovau.com/resources/nursing/hospitals-require-bsn-for-nurses/http://news.nurse.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2010310180001

There are plenty of threads on here about this topic. I may not know a lot as I'm only a nurse with roughly 1 year of experience, but believe me. Sooner or later LVN and ADN will be force to work at small facilities.

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About being charge nurse and DON. They surely will not become the DON at any facility unless they already been working there for at least a few years. The DON at my facility went to the same school I went to for her ADN. She has work there for 4 years prior before an job open up for her to applied for the DON position.

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NurseP00kie

Has 5 years experience.

It depends where you live. In MN, after September of this year the hospitals will no longer hire ADNs.

HouTx, BSN, MSN, EdD

Specializes in Critical Care, Education. Has 35 years experience.

It seems while nurses have been debating the 'BSN entry into practice' debate for decades, hospital employers have made the decision for us. But at this point, this is only affecting acute care (hospitals). ADNs & LVNs are still being actively employed in non-acute settings in my part of the country.

NurseGirl525, ASN, RN

Specializes in ICU.

Did you read where I put that I'm in Houston? If you live in Houston you would know. The LVNs that I work with use to work at hospitals before hospitals start requiring them to go back to school to get an RN. Now the ADN are require at leas an BSN to go to the big time hospitals in the medical center. Please read before you make any comments like that. I only mention Texans in general. The other LVNs that work with me have been applying for months and no one has hire them. Some have told me they stuck with the job because no one is hiring them. If they were then they would of left long time ago.

Blab all you want but lvn are no longer hired here in Houston at the major hospitals. Long term care, psych, and rehab places are the only ones hiring RN. The reason it is hard to find jobs is that the LVN that are currently working at those facilities are not quitting because they have a hard time finding jobs at other places.

Uh, yes, I read you were in Houston. I was merely stating the job market in CA is different because it was very impacted. You are still wrong. LPN's are not being phased out and yes they do work in those positions. Of course a new grad is not going to be a DON or charge nurse. That's a no brainer. No matter what field you go into, you need experience before going into management.

What are you doing to make yourself stand out in interviews. Seriously? It's very easy to sit there and say oh they didn't hire me because of my education. That is what people tell themselves to deflect the blame somewhere else. If your hospitals aren't hiring LPNs or ADNs then go get your education. Having more education is not a bad thing. But I guess it's easier to get on the internet and blame everyone else and not taking any responsibility. I did read your post and I don't need to be scolded on my response.

No one here is blaming that they dont get a job at the wanted hospital because of education. You can not be an LVN here and hope to get into a major hospital anywhere in the medical center. Some have put ADN but prefer BSN. The ADN that are lucky to get hire have experience. I think the OP doesn't have that much experience. The only hospital here that I know that hire ADN are Memorial Hermann, St. Joseph, and a few other small hospitals. My friend whom got into a hospital in the medical center was lucky. Her mom knew the charge nurse that was working there. Kindred and smaller hospitals are the only ones accepting ADN. Indeed.com or monsters listed LVN for small facilities. The LVN are even having a hard time finding jobs. I work in my previous facility where 70% LVN. THey told me they hated their jobs, but the only reason they stayed was because it was so hard finding jobs at other places. Some have to drive nearly an hour. Some have been applying for at least 6 months. My other classmate whom is in here late 30s landed a very good job. The reason was that she had a bunch of experience as a secretary in the hospital and she was in the army. Just believe what you want. When I mean LVN being phased out, I mean from working in the hospitals that they want to work at.

The only reason the other LVN are finding jobs is because of experience. The op I believe is referring a newly ADN. Good luck finding a job here in Houston without knowing someone, prior working experience, or just lucky.

I understand what you are all trying to say, I will take these comments seriously and will go for BSN instead...