I want you to help me, but you will do it my way.....

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How do you deal with indignant patients that come to the Emergency Department asking for help and then refuse certain aspects of care.

Lately, I have had numerous patients simply refuse to put on a patient gown, they simply do not want to be bothered by putting on a gown. Most of our physicians really want (demand) patients be in a gown no matter the chief complaint. Then the physician comes out of the room and says, "she not in a gown, I want them in a gown".

I also have patients complaining of chest pain, so we start our chest pain protocol and then they say, no I won't wear this oxygen, no I don't want an IV, no I won't put on this gown, and why do I need an EKG. I sit there trying to reason with them, I explain the rationale, and I am getting to the point where I think, "hey you came HERE asking ME for help and now you are going pick and choose".

I get the whole loss of control, anxiety, pain, and fear of coming to the ED. I assess for other reasons that a person may not want to don a gown but seriously........I would not go into a business and then pick and choose certain things to downright refuse to do, like refuse to sign paper work at the bank or wait in line. How do you deal with this. I have come to the point where it is beginning to frustrate me. What do you say? :confused:

My friend's father had a quintuple bypass at the age of 60. He proceeded to go back to his terrible, high-fat diet. His logic? "I'm all cleaned out, so I'll just need another bypass when I turn 120."

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and then there are the diabetics, wh figure that they'll just "cover" their beer, cake, etc with insulin...
Specializes in CVICU.
and then there are the diabetics, wh figure that they'll just "cover" their beer, cake, etc with insulin...
Ok. This is a serious question, so please don't flame me, but does that actually work as far as limiting the physical damage? I know it's a terrible attitude for a diabetic, but does the extra insulin actually protect them from what they're doing or is that just a misconception? Because I know an awful lot of diabetics do this and I know it's not what their doctors are telling them is ok!
Specializes in CT stepdown, hospice, psych, ortho.

Long ago as a new nurse, I remember the first time noticed some of the unit's breakfast trays had a Budweiser beer bottle on them.

...hahah, I was so green. It was beyond my comprehension.

I'm guessing whoever suggested beer with your tray was probably an RN tired of giving dodging flying urinals or chasing butt naked patients down the unit or restarting IVs when the nurse before her didn't start the DT protocol.

I love on the peds floor, you get a kid comes in with bad asthma, he needs his treatments, even at night. Parents refuse the nighttime treatments, then call at 7:15am when you're barely out of report (if out of report) and the RTs are still getting report on their 10+ patients, demanding a treatment RIGHT NOW because the kid is wheezing. Well gee, THAT is such a surprise!

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.
right....i hear the whole ama thing but our hospital is so focused on patient satisfaction. i feel so limited in what i can do. i take the heat from all directions. i have to hear it from the md that they are not gowned

since when is gowning part of the medical standing orders? if the doctor is so obsessed with the gown, tell him to play mama to the patient and see if it works.

and then our patient satisfaction letters come back with poor reveiws because we made the cp pt. wear o2 and get an iv.

[color=rgb(139, 0, 0)]and the management says what? by all means, nurses, don't force oxygen or have an iv on someone with chest pain. heaven forbid our press gainey scores go down...so he gets a little hypoxic? get him to sign the press gaineys then so he won't remember he was close to death....

i feel like i almost have to beg them to let me start an iv and get labs.

[color=rgb(139, 0, 0)]begging is for dogs. you are not a dog. shrug your shoulders and leave. when they are diaphoretic, hypoxic and have headstones on the ekg...i'm sure they won't be fighting you then. save your energy. they are not worth that much trouble. you are not their mother. they are adults. set limits and remind them if they are not interested in the care, there's the door and don't let it hit your gluteus maximus too hard. [/color]

its too exhausting. isn't it just accepted that when you go to the hospital that you wear a gown and recieve basic aspects of care. what do i say to these patients.

nothing. move on.

daisy:banghead:

good luck.

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

After having been made a "do not return" at 2 different places for trying to do what seemed intelligent and appropriate I now do the following. I let the patients dictate exactly what is done. And I chart everything. I do a quick education and if patient doesn't want IV or oxygen I just chart -patient declines oxygen after education benefits of treatment explained to patient-

Things have been going smoother for me. Usually the patients do exactly what the doctor wants after they have been in. My life has gotten way easier. In the end, I help the ones that need and want it and the others are there increasing census to boost my job security.

It has been very slow in my part of the country and I welcome all butts on beds, even the ones that don't need to be there.

Bottom line I have to feed my family, so I will kiss everyones butt I need to and after a while it doesn't bother you any more.

and then there are the diabetics, wh figure that they'll just "cover" their beer, cake, etc with insulin...

Actually, coverage works pretty well. Novolog/Humulog is dosed based on a sliding scale and carb counting. It's slightly different than the old school NPH/R insulins in which you get insulin spikes. As long as your A1C's, lipids and cholesterol are in the desired range these foods can be eaten.

Ok. This is a serious question, so please don't flame me, but does that actually work as far as limiting the physical damage? I know it's a terrible attitude for a diabetic, but does the extra insulin actually protect them from what they're doing or is that just a misconception? Because I know an awful lot of diabetics do this and I know it's not what their doctors are telling them is ok!

http://behavioraldiabetesinstitute.org/downloads/Etiquette-Card.pdf

Specializes in Telemetry.

How about the dialysis patient who went home and drank a half gallon of milk washed down by a case of Pepsi? Craziness.

Specializes in Emergency.

If someone refuses the gown or blood work I flat out ask them, "Why don't you want to put on a gown? Why don't you want blood work/an IV?" Sometimes it's because they don't want to be cold (so I get them plenty of warm blankets, pts loooove them). Sometimes it's because the pt is obese and has always been given regular sized gowns that don't fit (so I go get them our XXL gown). If they say they are afraid of needles or have "bad/rolling/small veins" I assure them I will only poke if I feel very confident I will get the IV or blood work.

Most normal people I can convince to do what I want with a little explanation. If they refuse after that, I chart it and tell the doc the pt refused if the physician asks why this or that wasn't done.

On another note, how about when we ask them to take off their clothes and put on a gown, and you return a little later and they put the gown over their shirt, jackets, pants, etc? :)

Myself, when I am not feeling well I am so grateful to be talking to a medical person that if they told me to put on a clown suit I would do it.

Specializes in CVICU.
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