I am SICK of male nurses who think they're Mr. Popular!

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First of all, I am not discriminating against men, and I don't wish to start a war on which sex is cattier. The majority of male nurses I've worked with have been great coworkers. However, I'm seeing some behavior that I have seen occurring almost solely in males, and I'm downright sick of it. I do think that a lot of what I'm writing can apply to people of both sexes, but again, such behavior is more prevalent in males and nursing is minority male.

When a man is surrounded by women, especially if he is the sole male, things might go to his head. It's no secret that some women tend to see males as more trustworthy and less catty, and will flock to them and compete for the male attention. Some guys love this attention, and they start losing objective and get this really obnoxious "I'm Mr. Popular" attitude. Some annoying habits of theirs are:

-Getting offended if you don't enthusiastically acknowledge their attention every time like a happy puppy. ("What, no hello?")

-Appointing themselves as your personal shrink and viewing themselves as beacons of wisdom, mostly bragging about themselves.

-Coming up to you when you're obviously busy, and saying in an obnoxiously Pollyanna voice, "Smile!" Some human hemorrhoids will actually start giving unsolicited behavioral counseling, mostly to serious women like me.

-Sticking their nose in your business, perhaps even creating situations so they can appoint themselves as your Freud.

It's not always about flirting or romantic/sexual attention either, although I've seen some totally inappropriate behavior. In my experience, most of the catty, obnoxious guys were married, had girlfriends, or were gay. However, they use the attention to promote themselves. IMO, it's about "winning" the masses in a social situation that is conducive to their popularity. More competition is present when you're surrounded by the same sex. However, being the sole male surrounded by females is a market that is more easily monopolized.

I'm not the only one who has seen this either. When I went to the charge nurse explaining a situation (see below in example #2), the manager told me, "Yep, he's mad because you're not giving him the attention he craves. It's like how cats love people who don't pay attention to them. He actually came to me complaining about your "arrogant" behavior, and stormed off when I asked him why he wasn't doing his work instead." My boyfriend is often the sole male in his library job, and flat out states that he gets preferential treatment, is asked to do more heavy stuff, and is put in the middle of a lot of situations. He says that he could get away with so much and milk it if he wanted to. He has also seen the Mr. Popular attitude with some of the other male coworkers and is disgusted by it.

Here are some examples of 2 people who have pretty much exhibited all the behaviors I'm talking about:

Example 1: At my former job, I worked with a human hemorrhoid of a new grad. He was obviously very accustomed to being a good-looking male receiving lots of female attention, and would always greet the co-workers with hugs and air kisses. While I was OBVIOUSLY swamped with a mound of paperwork, he came up to me and started chatting about how tired he was and other crap-shooting. I told him that I was very busy right now, sorry, but would help him if he needed it. In a voice much better used on a baby, he told me to smile and that I was so grumpy. When someone tells me to smile, especially in a busy situation, said person has automatically proven him/herself to be an insensitive, obnoxious Pollyanna with no sense of priority. It's like being told to sit, stay, beg. I ignored him, he persisted. I eventually had to tell him, "Don't talk to me if it doesn't pertain to work or not some kind of emergency. Don't get passive-aggressive about it either. You are a professional, act like it." He probably thought that I was a young eater. However, he seemed to respect me a lot more than the other nurses who gave him the attention he was seeking.

A week ago, I was hanging out with an ex-coworker from this job. She told me that for two weeks, he had asked her, "Would you sleep with me if you weren't with your husband?" He only stopped after she asked him how he would feel if another man was doing this to his sisters. I would have reported him directly to administration the first time. He's also made rounds with some of the nurses, creating tons of drama. Forget menage et trois, this is at least a menage et cinq. Disgusting. I'm glad that I set limits on his behavior when I did.

Example 2: This guy was very successful and made 6 figures with his 2 jobs (weekday engineer, weekend nurse), and made sure that everyone knew. I was raised to treat salary and costs as taboo in conversation, yet he let it be known to everyone that he could afford things like his customized house, investments, etc., complete with price tags. Once, on company time, he took people out to the parking lot to look at his brand new luxury Cadillac Escalade. One coworker stated that she preferred Fords and earned his cold shoulder for a week. He was nosier and cattier than any female I've ever worked with. I once had a confrontation with another nurse, and he wanted to know the details. I told him that it was between me and the nurse. He reported me to the charge nurse for being rude, and she told him to mind his own business. If you didn't greet him every time, he'd inquire why. He often told me that I seemed so angry and that I should smile more, even while running 50 mph carrying supplies. After I started ignoring him, he'd come in the same room obviously waiting for some kind of greeting, eventually, saying, "HELLO!" in an angry tone. Rather than greet him, I asked him if it was something pertaining to the tasks at hand or some kind of emergency. It never was, just a lecture on how rude I was and how he deserved an apology from me, at which point I'd resume ignoring him. His complaints of me actually became a running joke with the charge nurses.

Again, these obnoxious Mr. Populars are a minority of the great male nurses I've worked with. However, I can't deny that I have seen these behaviors much more in men than women. It especially seems to be an issue with the new grads who haven't realized that they are in professional environments.

1) To quote Tyler Durden from Fight Club, "Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." Yes, you may be surrounded by women and may even have a couple throwing themselves at you. You are there to work, not to make yourself the Big Man on Campus. Would you rather be respected as a hardworking professional or seen in a more familiar way as a himbo? If you're going to establish a presence, do it constructively, such as networking or aim to get into administration.

2) Be careful. I've known people who have gotten canned for sexual harassment with pretty minor offenses or even just unfounded accusations. Nowadays, even a pat on the back can be considered battery. Also, anything you do can and will be used against you. The guy in example #1 is darned lucky that she didn't get him fired. Just because you have female coworkers willingly sitting on your lap and asking your opinions of their breasts doesn't mean they'll own up to it. Remember Potipher's wife and Joseph from the Bible.

3) Your pride does not really matter to anyone but yourself. Do not be insulted if people don't greet you every single time they pass you. It's a busy job where people have much more critical things to worry about.

Specializes in LTC, Memory loss, PDN.

I was chuckling until I got to the "Would you sleep with me if you weren't with your husband?" part. :no: Then, it hit me, I've seen this happen. Most of the guys I've worked with are great, but I've worked with some who fit this description to the T. For the life of me I cannot understand how a new grad would even have time for such escapades, since I was always fighting to keep my head above water (sometimes still am). I've even pulled a couple of meister populars aside to try to talk to them, but never was able to instill an understanding how such behavior is in nobody's best interest. At least I was able to convey that there was no ally here. In the end, they never seemed to last very long. I've also seen it go the other way when a new, very good looking married male nurse started on my floor. A lot of the females flocked to him, but it took less than a week before word was out that unless it was about the job he wouldn't give them the time of the day and as a result he was highly respected. Btw, I think walking up to someone and saying, "smile, it's not that bad", is a great way to add insult to injury, instead, actually getting that person to smile shows true concern.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.
one of my personal pet peeves is the man (and it always seems to be a man) who walks up and tells me to "smile, it can't be that bad." first off, we're in a hospital and it absolutely can be that bad. i might have just withdrawn care on my father, sister or son. i might have just learned that my brain cancer is inoperable and might kill me. i might just have had to inform a patient that their cherished son or daughter will be unable to arrive from iraq before their emergency surgery or that surgery didn't go so well for mom, dad or grandpa. it absolutely can be that bad.

and second, it's none of his damned business what expression i choose to wear on my face!

i found a great article on why people, especially men, tell you to smile.

i bet you're a woman and that most of the people who say this to you are men. i've read a few books on business culture for women that address the "smile!" phenomenon, which is very common. they say that in office environments, and other places where hierarchy is important and confrontation and competition are a fact of life, smiling is a submissive behavior meant to show that you are non-threatening. you would smile, for example, when attempting to defuse a tense situation and avoid a confrontation. to make a broad generalization, men in business culture expect women to smile regularly because they expect most women to exhibit submissive behaviors towards them. sometimes a woman who doesn't smile "enough" is perceived by men as challenging or threatening confrontation, and the orders to smile are an attempt to restore her behavior to the expected norms. this is probably not even a conscious calculation for most people. it's just something they perceive as "off" that they want to correct.

if you're just concentrating and not actively scowling, my advice is to not worry about your facial expression. a serious, no-nonsense look is not a bad thing in the office. however, i'd also not be overly confrontational with people who tell you to smile as that can easily create bad blood and will teach them that they can get a rise out of you. i'd just respond with a very short, professional comment along the lines of "can i help you with something? i'm pretty deep in thought here right now", like lobstermitten's first suggestion. be friendly as you say it and don't apologize. this makes it clear that you're not angry or confrontational but that you aren't someone to order around and you won't rise to the bait of their "innocent" jokes. if someone pushes it further, then you can be more firm - "i appreciate your advice but this deadline is looming and it's all i have time for right now. i'll catch up with you later". if they still don't take the hint, then they really want to screw with you and you can consider biting back a bit - "if you have all this free time to worry about other peoples' facial expressions, then why don't you make yourself useful and help me with [task-you'd-like-to-delegate]?" delivered with the right air of detached amusement, that should defuse the situation nicely.

a neutral expression is fine. smiles can be quite inappropriate for moods such as death. i cue on to the atmosphere of the patient's room and act accordingly.

also, not everyone expects smiles. when i went to europe, i didn't get a lot of smiles, and i certainly didn't have anyone telling me to smile. one of my french friends told me that artificial shows are frowned down upon. same with my mom's stoic asian culture. as a result of her upbringing, i'm not a really smiley person. i've been told that my serious yet neutral expression instills calmness.

Specializes in Psych, LTC, Acute Care.

I don't think there is anything wrong with telling people to "Smile". Alot of times people say this if they see that the person is having a bad day or look like you have been sucking on Lemons. The person will usually say what bothering them and vent about it. Sometimes getting it off their chest makes them feel better.

Specializes in MDS RNAC, LTC, Psych, LTAC.

Well I smile at work too , at my patients and my co-workers but I still dont like someone telling me to smile if I am not. I may have something on my mind. :coollook:

I think you need to lighten up. I agree the "would you sleep with me" comment is crossing the line, but everything else just seems like someone who is trying to keep an upbeat, positive attitude at work.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

IMO, telling someone to smile, especially if there is a chance that they may be mad, is like tickling a tiger. Would you go up to a surgeon, fully garbed and elbow-deep in a patient, trying not to nick major blood vessels, scowling in concentration, giving terse orders (NOT BULLYING, there is a difference), and tell him to SMILE? Hell no. I wouldn't blame him for getting mad. The same goes with me running down the hall 50 mph running for supplies. Don't derail my train of thought unless you think it seems more important than my tasks at hand.

If someone seems deep in concentration, I either assume that they're busy, or if I must talk to them, I ask if everything's all right to get a feel of the situation.

Specializes in Pulmonary, MICU.
Also, smiles are higher on the Maslow hierarchy, so I'd rather have an unsmiling nurse doing a code than a smiley nurse fumbling around.

Which is why I would rather have a smiling nurse in a Code. According to Maslow, to achieve the higher levels you have to have the lower levels taken care of. So if smiling is a higher level (somewhere up near self-actualization, probably) then that means that person is fine on the other steps of the pyramid. Someone who isn't smiling has fundamental problems in their life.

As a male nurse, I can say sure, your description applied to some guys. But not all of them. I could write a post just as long about the negative behavior I've seen from female nurses (which is more frequent, likely because of the increased population)...but not all female nurses behave a specific way either. I'm sorry that you have a couple bad eggs in your life, but applying isolated circumstances to the entirety of a population is sexist. Period.

And by the way, I'm self-actualized. Smile! Life is too short to frown. And the last couple times I was in surgery, the surgeons were laughing and talking smack...so there was no need to tell them to smile. ;)

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.

As a male nurse, I can say sure, your description applied to some guys. But not all of them. I could write a post just as long about the negative behavior I've seen from female nurses (which is more frequent, likely because of the increased population)...but not all female nurses behave a specific way either. I'm sorry that you have a couple bad eggs in your life, but applying isolated circumstances to the entirety of a population is sexist. Period.

And by the way, I'm self-actualized. Smile! Life is too short to frown.

I never applied it to the whole population. I said that I have seen it in both sexes, but I've seen it more prevalently in males, and that the majority of male nurses have been great.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I've never noticed this particular behavior pattern in any of the male nurses I've worked with.

Really...

In your second sentence you state that most male nurses are great coworkers. So it's only the male nurses who think they're Mr. Popular that make you sick. Are you maybe that female nurse that thought you were Ms. Popular and you're feeling threatened by a new nurse with different attachments? Try not to focus so much on the popularity contest and focus more on the patients.

Specializes in EC, IMU, LTAC.
In your second sentence you state that most male nurses are great coworkers. So it's only the male nurses who think they're Mr. Popular that make you sick. Are you maybe that female nurse that thought you were Ms. Popular and you're feeling threatened by a new nurse with different attachments? Try not to focus so much on the popularity contest and focus more on the patients.

I don't care about the popularity contest, I care that I can be in an environment where I can get my work done without redundant distractions that may affect care. My problem with the Mr Popular coworkers is if they try to suck me into their fan club. For example, when the braggart coworker called me outside to check out his new Escalade, I honestly thought that something was going on and medical assistance was needed out there. Same with the drama he created by trying to get me in trouble with the charge nurse for my "rude behavior" of not listening to him brag. Such bullcrap takes away from the patients, where my care is focused.

For the record, I get along or don't get along with my female coworkers any more than than the males.

Specializes in MDS RNAC, LTC, Psych, LTAC.
I think you need to lighten up. I agree the "would you sleep with me" comment is crossing the line, but everything else just seems like someone who is trying to keep an upbeat, positive attitude at work.

I dont think people who dont smile are unhappy at any given time. When I have 22 patients on my mind and passing meds. I imagine I dont have a grin plastered all the time. I would look like an idiot.

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