I need advice about cocaine addiction

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My son in law is 36 years old. He and my daughter are expecting their first baby in 3 months. I'll call him David. David was a cocaine addict when he was in his early 20's and got caught stealing items from someone's home, got arrested and was offered rehab in lieu of jail time. He went to rehab for 3 months. A year or so ago I started to see signs that he was using cocaine. The constant runny nose, etc. He adamantly denied using cocaine. He fell asleep on our couch and I cut some of his hair and had it tested and yes it was positive for cocaine. They were engaged and the time and my daughter was furious with me. She believed him. Once faced with the truth she broke up with him. About 9 months ago he called her to apoligize for all the wrong he had done to her, lying etc.....one thing led to another and she ended up pregnant. I didn't want them to get married and neither did his parents but they insisted. They live with us because they together don't make enough money to be on their own. My daughter is 24 years old and works full-time. David floats from job to job, claims he has alot of bills, claims his check only covers his bills and his gas. July 11th we went to Floriday for 10 days. After we got home we got a bill for a "sex line chat call ($3.50/min) for a total of $125.00 I asked my daughter. Where were you guys at 9:00 pm on the 19th. She said mama that's the day I had my root canal and I had taken a pain pill and was knocked out for the rest of the day and night. He never said he didn't do it but implied that he didn't. He then said "well I'm not admitting any guilt but since it happened while we were here I'll pay it" (Good luck to me trying to collect). My daughter now realizes that David did make that call. I told her it was equivelent to cheating. Talking to a woman on a live sex line. Also how inconsiderate to make a charge like that to us who have been so good to them and given them a roof over their heads. There's also been an issue with him saying he was outside asleep on the hammock the other night at 0300 but I had let the dogs out and he was not in the hammock. I think he was gone doing/buying cocaine. When I confronted him he denied doing any drugs. (He denied it a year ago also when indeed he was guilty) I said you have not been to any rehab, you don't go to therapy, you don't go to NA meetings. How did you just quit cold turkey and never gone back to drugs? Don't you have cravings to use? He said that our daughter and his

son who is on the way is all he needs to think about to keep himself off of cocaine. He said I swear on their lives that I'm not doing anything. That's a very strong statement but I don't believe him. What are the chances that a cocaine addict can stop using without rehab or anything? I am going to ask him for a drug test. If he refuses, of course he's guilty. What is the best method of testing. I know he can get around the urine drug screen because he did before. Should I demand hair or should I draw his blood. If it's positive I will throw his butt out and I am 99% sure my daughter would not go with him. I have already told her that if they do move out with the baby that I would go to court to get temporary custody of the baby and that I would win because judges don't leave babies with coke addicts. I know my daughter would come home with the baby. I have been a basket case for a week or more and don't know where to turn or even what to think? What do I say to my daughter. She said she believes him and she doesn't think she's being naive. She's only 24, pregnant, and she does love him. I do believe he loves her too. I think he's an addict and cannot help himself. Please help with any opinions or information that you have. Thanks so very much Joanna

i doubt he's another scott peterson. those are fortunately pretty rare. but what you do have is a real loser in your daughter's life. unfortunately, she's going to need lumps on the head till she realizes that he's not someone she can build any sort of future with. and there's not much you can do about it, other than support your daughter and refuse to enable him.

i have a pretty dim view of coke addicts. in my experience, the success rate for rehabilitation is abyssmally low. if she were my daughter, i'd surely be restraining myself.

good luck with this.

i doubt he's another scott peterson. those are fortunately pretty rare. but what you do have is a real loser in your daughter's life. unfortunately, she's going to need lumps on the head till she realizes that he's not someone she can build any sort of future with. and there's not much you can do about it, other than support your daughter and refuse to enable him.

i have a pretty dim view of coke addicts. in my experience, the success rate for rehabilitation is abyssmally low. if she were my daughter, i'd surely be restraining myself.

good luck with this.

i think you may have misunderstood my post. i didn't say he was another scott peterson. still, the liklihood that any who knew peterson before his crimes actually thought he would ever commit them is probably zero. my point was just that we cannot ignore the fact that for people with the sort of mind-set evidenced in this case, the distance between a cad and a violent abuser can be frighteningly short. therefore, yes, immediate action is certainly warranted.

Hi Dutchgirl

I am sorry to hear that you are going through these things. I understand my uncle and cousin are both crack addicts. One thing that I must say is I applaude you for trying to help your daughter and unborn granchild. But being that I have addicts in my family I know what a strain it can cause on relationships. What I am saying is continue to be there for your daughter but please don't push her to far. I know this is a very stressful time for her right now and I am sure she is feeling like she is in the middle between her husband and mother. I know that you are focused on son in law and are angry as hell but don't forget the feelings of your little girl :) I hope the two of you have good communication between the two of you & good luck.

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.
i think you may have misunderstood my post. i didn't say he was another scott peterson.

Bluenote, no I didn't misunderstand. I know you didn't mean that my son-in-law could be a murderer. I took it more that yes, Dr.Jekyll/Mr.Hyde personality is a reality and seems the case with him. That is scary enough when you think about him being your daughters husband and father to your grandchild. I know he would never physically hurt them. Emotionally, financially, you bet cha!

dutchgirl,

no worries. i was reffering to traumahawk about misunderstanding the post though i'm certainly glad you didn't!

Bluenote, no I didn't misunderstand. I know you didn't mean that my son-in-law could be a murderer. I took it more that yes, Dr.Jekyll/Mr.Hyde personality is a reality and seems the case with him. That is scary enough when you think about him being your daughters husband and father to your grandchild. I know he would never physically hurt them. Emotionally, financially, you bet cha!
Specializes in Med-Surg, Geriatric, Behavioral Health.

DutchgirlRN, I'm also sorry for the chaos you're placed in. I very much agree with Bluenote's, NurseRatchet's and CharlieRN's observations and recommendations. In a nutshell, with addicts like this...the charming devils...the old saying that always comes to my mind is...

"Liar, liar, pants on fire".

We all know this guy is going to use, baby/child in the family or not really doesn't matter. Young women also often believe that a baby will make it all better, which often isn't the case, but makes it more complicated and even more emotional and difficult. Hey, the guy has chose his mistress...his drug. Your daughter and your grandchild will always come second (if not last) as long as he is using...which sounds pretty bleak. I'm very sorry. But, the man can't be trusted, regardless of the words that spew out of his mouth. Another old saying which seems to apply here is...

"The proof is in the pudding".

So far, all he has been dishing out is tartar sauce.

Oh DutchgirlRN, you have my heart. You really do.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.

All you can do is be there for your daughter when she fully sees the light. In the meantime, no way no how are drug addicts allowed in my house, and I'd kick him to the curb. Despite your good intentions, you are still enabling him. If your daughter chooses to go with him, that is an unfortunate mistake from which she will someday learn.

Specializes in RN Psychiatry.

I've done cocaine addiction research for 5 years now (on animals) and am very familiar with clinical research as well. I think he is still using. I think you should test his hair, just make sure YOU cut it or he does it in front of you. Anything is possible, but it is extremly difficult just walk away from it. The way cocaine has its addictive hold is because it makes the things you like or love into things that are to amazing for words. example: your favorite fast food becomes better than the best thanksgiving dinner you could imagine, love making becomes better than anything you ever experienced, basically anything that you already enjoy becomes 10000000000 million times better.. who could walk away from that without help, not to mention after prolonged use your receptors just stop fuctioning properly and you can't even enjoy regular things that you once liked. In addition, I have found with my research that external cues are HUGE with coke. Especially smell. They see a shirt that reminds them of their dealer, and they temporarily experience the same level of excitement and anticipation as if they were about to score cocaine.

With a drug this powerful you need to use strict "tough love" , I mean animals who are programed by birth to preserve their own survival by any means will choose cocaine over eating and drinking. with that kind of pull on a person cocaine is very very difficult to quit. In my opinion it would be next to impossible to quit. Make a pact with your daughter that if he is positive that he has to get out of the house, and that the only time that they will see eachother is at an NA meeting. Tell them to plan to meet there (she can go as a support) and then make sure she truly leaves after its over and doesn't give him any extra time. (maybe drop her off and pick her up) She will hopefully be on board for something like that since both her and her baby's future are at stake. If he doesn't like NA then some type of therapy or rehab is needed. Oh and one other thing, If he has time to lay on a hammock then he has time to get another job to meet the expenses he needs to get a place and pay for bills. I am 22 years old, I live in Boston a very expensive city, my job paid 12.30 cents an hour and I have a 600 dollar a month rent about 70 bucks in utilities and need to by food, and paid for health insurance and still had money left over for entertainment. so trust me he is pulling your leg. He needs to get out and learn what it means to truly work hard and be a responsible person, if he does he may also find there is no room for drugs in his life (or money) good luck! you face a truly difficult challege.

take care!

Danielle

Specializes in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN.

Thanks Thunderwolf and everyone, I did it last night. I told him to get out. I did drug test him. Of course it only shows 24-36 hours. He did test positive for marijuana. I told him sorry bud, marijuana is illegal just the same and your butt ends up in jail just the same, you take my daughter to buy drugs and have her sit in the car, you smoke it and drive her home stoned. The topper was the live sex chat phone call he made for 22 minutes and charged to my phone. $130 while my daughter needs a new tire for her car and he cares more about his member. Hate to be graphic but it's true. My daughter has had a strange reaction. She is staying here until they get an apartment (yeah good luck) and yes his Mom didn't invite them to live with her, but she's not at all upset with me, she doesn't seem worried, she seems strangely calm. I think she's so in denial or she doesn't want to admit she's made a mistake. I heard her talking to a friend on phone something like "I have to think about my marriage", when she saw me she quickly changed the subject. I'm rambling now but I did it, I threw his butt out the door! Yeah me!

Wow, good job! A difficult one but you did it!

You have to stand up for yourself and your daughter. But here's the rub . .......we don't own what our kids choose to do so please do not blame yourself if your daughter doesn't do the right thing, right away.

I'm proud of you.

I have some experience too . .. so I feel for you.

steph

Specializes in Med-Surg, Geriatric, Behavioral Health.

DutchgirlRN, I am also very proud of you. You have given your daughter the role model she needed...to set a healthy boundary, especially with a little one on the way. We can only hope that she will reflect upon this moment in the future in that there is no shame and no need for excuses in taking care of oneself (and family) from this type of addictive and pathological personality. You have many hugs from me, my girl, for doing a great job.

Dutchgirl: I too am proud of you.

I myself was addicted (crack and heroin). To put it in a nutshell, I had a TRUE FRIEND and I told him to tie me up to the bed and leave me. He did (and checked on me as necessary) but basically, I quit cold turkey rather than bring my addiction back home with me.

I just say this because even with addiction, I believe there exists free will and choice. Until he makes the right one, forget it!!!

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