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I know this an old beast but if I cannot vent and speak my mind freely here (within reason); where else can I?

I am quite annoyed; I have several friends who are in a BSN program and it's evident that their course load is extremely light; it's evident that they are babied and quite frankly... it ANNOYS ME.

I was flat out told by professors that they are here to break us down and build us back up. In fact, one professor told me in private that they strive to make exams are ridiculously hard as possible.

In my theory class we had (at one point of time) the class average was a 50%. It's not because we're not studying; I see how we study... we studied hard... it's THOSE exams.

Then after I find out I get ALL C's ... my friend in (BSN) student tells me how she got 2 B's and an A thanks to receiving (wait for it)... bonus points... (HOLD UP... bonus points? what is this... grammar school?)

We get no bonus points, we get NO rounding of grades. My other BSN friend was surprised to hear that professors don't round. (Seriously? Your professors round? this is a professional school; there's NO rounding).

She was also surprised to here we do 2 care plans the night BEFORE ... they do ONE care plan ... and get an entire WEEK.

The part that truly infuriates me is that she says that her classmates truly believe that ADN's are the equivalent of a CNA.

Don't get me wrong; nothing wrong with being a CNA... it just makes me angry because I've spent nights studying (sleepless nights). I've gone to clinical with 1 - 2 hours of sleep.

BOTH are in 3rd semester and have already taken Medsurg 1 & 2 and pharm... and do NOT know the relationship between Mannitol and HF (why it's Contraindicated) ... okay, I guess I can't knock them for not possessing recall knowledge but for the love of the Big Guy, I don't think it's rocket science.

They can talk to me about theories and Florence nightingale but not how the physician will most likely fix Dig Toxicity and what their nursing responsibilities would be.

They can tell me about Barton but not about WHY we check potassium before administering insulin to our DKA patients.

and THEY are preferred to be hired rather than me?

Well FINE... have at it...

when I graduate and am refused a job (I WILL be working on my BSN prereqs) because I don't already have a BSN ... you will lose someone who will:

NOT be scared to get down and dirty

NOT be scared to defend my patients health

GLADLY learn new thing (otherwise I wouldn't bridge to BSN)

GLADLY do the "lowly" task

GLADLY perform the complicated procedures AFTER I understand the rationale and pathophysiology behind my interventions.

Just to add some wood to the fire; my clinical buddy was doing clinical and she floated to another floor b/c her original floor had too many new grads who were shadowing...

she floated to a floor with students from a BSN program and ALL they did was sit, chat, chew gum, and TEXT...

We get sent HOME for having our phone. We get sent home for having a speck of mud on our shoes.

I'm not sure what exactly the studies say about BSN prepared nurses but I think it's malarkey.

I'm sure it can help with management but honestly; you're going to say my hard work has earned me a CNA position?

)= I needed to vent...

Couldn't agree with you more. Just had a conversation today. Spoke with some BSN students from a nearby school saying they thought that they needed more than a year to learn pediatrics.. Meanwhile my school (ADN) program had a month to learn the same material.. And didn't complain about it once

Maybe you should have. The pediatric population have issues only related to them- perhaps these students understand the complexity and minimal education that ALL schools give with regard to peds?

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I don't quite understand why if someone makes a disclaimer that they had to vent, why continue to read the post if it is going to bother you. Not sure if there is a need to pick apart the OP examples or how they may need a change in attitude.

We all have our days and appreciate you sharing and opening up about your frustrations you had in your nursing student journey!

When one vents- other opinions may make a situation clear. Don't want people posting on a venting? Then the OP should write a blog.

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Maybe you should have. The pediatric population have issues only related to them- perhaps these students understand the complexity and minimal education that ALL schools give with regard to peds?

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As do we, with accurate knowledge and confidence in that knowledge - minus the complaining

its a known fact in the area I live in there are 2 ADN programs and 4 BSN programs - the hiring managers hire from the 2 ADN programs first and absolutely will NOT hire from one of the BSN programs...their clinicals are hands off and observation only...apparently they learn skills on mannequins - perhaps that is why they just lost their NLNAC accreditation and our ADN school is taking their juniors so they can at least graduate from an "accredited institution" so they can sit for boards and get jobs...

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Couldn't agree with you more. Just had a conversation today. Spoke with some BSN students from a nearby school saying they thought that they needed more than a year to learn pediatrics.. Meanwhile my school (ADN) program had a month to learn the same material.. And didn't complain about it once

So you are saying that a month of pedi is all you need? That really worries me....

As do we, with accurate knowledge and confidence in that knowledge - minus the complaining

No complaints=no movement to resolve a situation.

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It's been awhile since I graduated but I think I would have to agree with the OP. I went to a very good community college for my ADN and never slept, worked tirelessly to achieve A's and a few B's. I went to our state school (one of the top ranking) for my BSN. The 2 schools couldn't have been more different. The BSN program was a breeze. I was always on the Dean's list, Sigma Theta Tau and other honors programs. We mainly focused on research, writing and politics. I know I didn't do the whole 4 years at this university but I always heard the same type of comments that the OP hears comparing the 2 programs.

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

I wouldn't want either of you as a friend or an employee. You put down BSN education because of some bad apples. Your BSN friends compare ADN preparation to CNAs. Professionalism involves respecting those at all levels and behaving in a collegial manner. You both appear to lack respect for your peers. I would not hire someone who demonstrated those traits.

We get a 8weeks of pedi 8 weeks of OB...

I will admit, I did NOT have "sleepless" nights and never understood why my classmates did--but it doesn't mean I didn't care. We had a million care plans to do, on top of the theory based papers and presentations. We had 12 hour clinical days (another thread is running rampant with ADN students sayings they have 4-8 hr days)...so, bottom line is, every school is different and every student is different. Plain and simple. If you are a hard worker all you can do is maintain your work ethic and hope it pays off on the end. This isn't a ADN vs BSN debate. Quite frankly that's rather tiresome. There are good nurses vs cruddy nurses, that simple. The best schools can turn out worthless people and the worst schools can turn out awesome people. Focus on yourself, stop worrying about the other guy--after all, for those still in school, if our program is as hard as you say it is, you know not sleeping at night and what not, why are you here when you could be studying and getting to bed early?

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Posting from my phone, ease forgive my fat thumbs! :)

I will admit, I did NOT have "sleepless" nights and never understood why my classmates did--but it doesn't mean I didn't care. We had a million care plans to do, on top of the theory based papers and presentations. We had 12 hour clinical days (another thread is running rampant with ADN students sayings they have 4-8 hr days)...so, bottom line is, every school is different and every student is different. Plain and simple. If you are a hard worker all you can do is maintain your work ethic and hope it pays off on the end. This isn't a ADN vs BSN debate. Quite frankly that's rather tiresome. There are good nurses vs cruddy nurses, that simple. The best schools can turn out worthless people and the worst schools can turn out awesome people. Focus on yourself, stop worrying about the other guy--after all, for those still in school, if our program is as hard as you say it is, you know not sleeping at night and what not, why are you here when you could be studying and getting to bed early?

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Because finals are over .....?

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