I don't know if I can handle another 3 months of this. Dangerous doc?

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Hey guys, bear with me here, please.

I wrote a while back about a locums doc who I was not gelling with very well, and some of the incidents involved. Well, it just came down that he has re-upped his contract, and will be with us till June. This was not well-received, to say the least.

Since I last spoke about him, things have escalated, and to the point that the other docs and staff are noticing, too.

There have been instances where he will not fill out med rec sheets after procedures, and the floor staff will call me to fix things. He refuses to dictate, unles I dictate on the consults I see with him, the consults are NOT dictated. If he sees someone I know nothing about, then there we are, no dictation, I know nothing about the patient, etc.

The stress lab is such a hotbed, I rarely go anymore. He will literally move me out of the way if it looks like I might actually get to DO something down there. And he does them WRONG! He's been told and told, and just blows us off. Same with caths, takes 4 pics and calls it good. The cath lab director asked him if reckon he ought not to shoot one of the arteries again, and I thought they were going to come to blows. His cath dictation is 2 weeks behind, because he refuses to dictate as he goes. He'll save the cases up until he thinks it's worth his time, THEN dictate. It's caused no end to the headache in the billing dept.

Last week, we got a heads-up that a patient was expecting drugs that have no place in a stress test to be administered, he had had his wife call and request, saying that he had had them last time. No records of such, we refused, and I told Doc Locums about it. He never even looked up from his newspaper.

The patient showed up, and, not knowing who I was, and not knowing that I knew who THEY were, proceded to tell me that my nurse had said that they could have the drugs. HA.

One of my other docs was in lab, and told me to start the test. We did great, no drugs needed. About the time we got done, Doc Locums waltzed in and saw that we were done. I told him that Doc Nice was there and told me to start. He gave me a look that could've curdled milk.

I'll try to ask him about consults, because I'll have 4 done before he decides to show up, and all he'll say is, "I'll look at them". 5 hours later, he MIGHT get around to it.

Called before I left today to ask if I could do a note and dictate on a new one before I left, only to be told that "We'll just do a stress." and then have him hang up on me.

He went back home over the weekend, and was so late coming in Monday, I had to call Dr. Big Dog (our director) to supervise stresses with me (certain insurance won't pay for just NP supervision). We had waited for almost an hour, and had people threatening to leave, so I called OM and asked if Dr. Big Dog could come help me. Locums showed up about 20 minutes after that. I got another look over calling Dr. Big Dog as well.

Does anyone deal with a doc like this? What did y'all do? What else can I try? I mean, one has heard of offering the olive branch, I have offered the whole dang tree, roots and all. I don't know what else to do. I am so tired of greeting the so-and-so every morning without so much as a "Hi., How are you?, Kiss my foot" nothing, usually it's a good day if I get a snort.

I can handle the personal stuff, but the way he operates seems dangerous to me. I may be wrong.

Sorry so long, I'm just frustrated. Thanks for reading.

Specializes in CHN.

Yes, it is under his name, but you share a part of that liability. You can better protect yourself by becoming more prepared. If what he's doing is wrong, DO NOT EXECUTE IT. The best way to know what is right and wrong is to arm yourself with knowledge, that way, you can better judge the situations he's throwing at you. If everything blows off (which is at the expense of the patient, of course), your nurses notes will eventually save you, providing you did the right thing. Otherwise, you'll get tied with him and share his misfortunes. By the way, a book about Nursing Jurisprudence may better aid you. It can help you avoid legal issues in the future.

Specializes in LTC, Acute Care.
His cath dictation is 2 weeks behind, because he refuses to dictate as he goes. He'll save the cases up until he thinks it's worth his time, THEN dictate. It's caused no end to the headache in the billing dept.

Ugh...one thing that can be very irritating when transcribing is when a doctor is dictating things from a month or so before and has clearly forgotten the particular patient's details in the dictation. Sometimes it takes them 3-4 times as long to dictate as it would if they'd just do it right afterwards because they are shuffling through papers and reading the chart trying to remember the details. I know it's never a consideration to the dictator, but that is MY money going down the drain while listening to empty air while the papers being shuffled. I work on production, and empty air does not equal typed characters from my end. It would save him time, I bet, if he dictated immediately after the procedures or at the end of the day of the procedure, but no one listens to me, either. :)

Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

Risk and HR should know about him. I know you are of an independent group, but if they see that he is endangering THE HOSPITAL as well.....

Trust me, they WILL get involved.

Having seen doctors escorted out the door for behavioral issues ($$$$ can only go so far)....

Everyone is expendable.

EVERYONE.

I have no experience whatsoever in this matter, but can you report him to someone in the hospital? Because, in my opinion, if he keeps on doing things the wrong way, someday, someone could file a lawsuit against the hospital, so I don't think it will be convenient to the hospital. Just my opinion.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I know that I should know this as I have read about your troubles before, but is this in a clinic or hospital?

Next question is....Why on earth was his contract re-upped if it's this bad? Someone dropped the ball big time on this one!

Specializes in med-surg, psych, ER, school nurse-CRNP.

Well, he didn't show up to cover AM hospital Friday, (figured he wouldn't since he begged Dr. Nice to swap call with him), I got stuck in traffic and was 10 minutes late, my pager blew up with 10 consults before lunch, Dr. Nice wound up throwing his and screaming something I'll not repeat (and he's REALLY unflappable, it was BAD), and we found out that Locums will not be here this week, he told them Thursday he's taking a week vacation.

Yes, it's gonna put a whole lot on me (I'll actually get to DO something), but heck, this is "run nekkid through the front yard" good news.

Could have sworn I heard the "Hallelujah Chorus" when I got that update.

P.S. I made Dr. Nice's day when I found the hospitalist that was ordering the consults (most of them b.s.) and told him to "Knock it off, already!!!!!". He just laughed and gave me a hug and apologized.

Here's to a much less stressful week.

Specializes in Hospice, ONC, Tele, Med Surg, Endo/Output.
Hey guys, bear with me here, please.

I wrote a while back about a locums doc who I was not gelling with very well, and some of the incidents involved. Well, it just came down that he has re-upped his contract, and will be with us till June. This was not well-received, to say the least.

Since I last spoke about him, things have escalated, and to the point that the other docs and staff are noticing, too.

There have been instances where he will not fill out med rec sheets after procedures, and the floor staff will call me to fix things. He refuses to dictate, unles I dictate on the consults I see with him, the consults are NOT dictated. If he sees someone I know nothing about, then there we are, no dictation, I know nothing about the patient, etc.

The stress lab is such a hotbed, I rarely go anymore. He will literally move me out of the way if it looks like I might actually get to DO something down there. And he does them WRONG! He's been told and told, and just blows us off. Same with caths, takes 4 pics and calls it good. The cath lab director asked him if reckon he ought not to shoot one of the arteries again, and I thought they were going to come to blows. His cath dictation is 2 weeks behind, because he refuses to dictate as he goes. He'll save the cases up until he thinks it's worth his time, THEN dictate. It's caused no end to the headache in the billing dept.

Last week, we got a heads-up that a patient was expecting drugs that have no place in a stress test to be administered, he had had his wife call and request, saying that he had had them last time. No records of such, we refused, and I told Doc Locums about it. He never even looked up from his newspaper.

The patient showed up, and, not knowing who I was, and not knowing that I knew who THEY were, proceded to tell me that my nurse had said that they could have the drugs. HA.

One of my other docs was in lab, and told me to start the test. We did great, no drugs needed. About the time we got done, Doc Locums waltzed in and saw that we were done. I told him that Doc Nice was there and told me to start. He gave me a look that could've curdled milk.

I'll try to ask him about consults, because I'll have 4 done before he decides to show up, and all he'll say is, "I'll look at them". 5 hours later, he MIGHT get around to it.

Called before I left today to ask if I could do a note and dictate on a new one before I left, only to be told that "We'll just do a stress." and then have him hang up on me.

He went back home over the weekend, and was so late coming in Monday, I had to call Dr. Big Dog (our director) to supervise stresses with me (certain insurance won't pay for just NP supervision). We had waited for almost an hour, and had people threatening to leave, so I called OM and asked if Dr. Big Dog could come help me. Locums showed up about 20 minutes after that. I got another look over calling Dr. Big Dog as well.

Does anyone deal with a doc like this? What did y'all do? What else can I try? I mean, one has heard of offering the olive branch, I have offered the whole dang tree, roots and all. I don't know what else to do. I am so tired of greeting the so-and-so every morning without so much as a "Hi., How are you?, Kiss my foot" nothing, usually it's a good day if I get a snort.

I can handle the personal stuff, but the way he operates seems dangerous to me. I may be wrong.

Sorry so long, I'm just frustrated. Thanks for reading.

Run as fast as you can. This dog is too arrogant to learn new tricks.

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.

Look, I know you respect Dr. Nice, the medical director. Your trust is misplaced. You are co-signed by your actions by this wing nut and he is held accountable to Dr. Nice. Dr. nice is either uninformed, turning a blind eye or a wuss.

I think Dr. Nice, lacks the brass ones and people and managerial skills to deal with this difficult personality. All our NP's do the consults, part of the role, then the doc assesses and ensures your plan is comprehensive. In my state you can't do a cath without the doc present... so that releases your liability... providing that if you felt more pictures were needed, you demanded they be shot and did so. Now here the bad doc could argue that the added contrast was renal detrimental and a diagnosis could be confirmed as is.. and you pick your battles here. He is ultimately responsible for the diagnosis, or lack there of by the pictures.

If you have actual cases where blockages could have been missed due to lack of interest on his part of shooting further, and the inner cath lab discussion prevented you from shooting pictures further, you then are responsible to go back to Dr. Nice and air your concerns PRONTO, post haste and yesterday.

Your role has not changed as an NP, the same as a doc ordering something I would never give... I can never give it and go up my chain of command, same as If my patient required treatment that by ignoring my requests was detrimental, I'd be required by the board of nursing to follow that chain.

Your chain is stand up to the doc, next the director and become great friends with risk management, they don't always know or lack the documentation that the medical director is placing the patient and facility in harms way.

I'm not one to jump ship quickly, I'm a dig your heels in and fight it out for the patient type of person, so know this before you evaluate my advice. Dr. Nice, is or isn't a patient advocate, no matter what his other qualities are, and if you pursue this correctly, you'll find out exactly who he is and then what you need to do.

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