How does YOUR hospital waste its money?

Scrubby · Feb 25, 2009

I can't explain it to you anymore either. Fact it, illegals are breaking our healthcare system, whether you like it or not...

Hmmm yeah real compelling argument you have there :yawn:

Scrubby · Feb 25, 2009

this one makes me cringe, and i've seen it, too. implanting vads into illegal aliens. heart transplants for illegal aliens. (i'm not saying that illegal aliens aren't people, too, or that they don't deserve basic health care. but heart transplants and vads are far beyond basic health care, and to do them at the taxpayer expense when so many taxpayers cannot afford this level of healthcare for themselves just strikes me as wrong.)

would you prefer the person die then? would that satisfy you as a tax payer? :madface:

i'm actually pretty surprised here by some of the opinions. these 'illegal aliens' are people as well who have most likely come from disadvantaged background and suffered more than anyone can imagine. to say that the thought of them receiving a potentially life saving device makes you cringe is actually quite sad. i would hope for your patient's sake that as nurse you don't reflect these sorts of judgements onto them.

i couldn't care less whether my patient is an illegal immigrant or australian citizen. they are a human being and deserve compassion and i'm more than happy for my tax payers money to go towards giving someone a fair go.

bigjim · Feb 25, 2009

There is no such thing as an illegal alien. Let me say it again very slowly. There, is, no, such, thing, as, an, ILLEGAL, ALIEN.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegal

illegal

2 entries found.

Main Entry:1il-le-gal Pronunciation: \(ˌ)i(l)-ˈlē-gəl\ Function:adjective Etymology:Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French illegal, from Medieval Latin illegalis, from Latin in- + legalis legalDate:1538 : not according to or authorized by law : unlawful , illicit ; also : not sanctioned by official rules (as of a game)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alien

alien

3 entries found.

Main Entry:1alien Pronunciation: \ˈā-lē-ən, ˈāl-yən\ Function:adjective Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin alienus, from aliusDate:14th century 1 a: belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : strange b: relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government : foreign c: exotic 12: differing in nature or character typically to the point of incompatibilitysynonyms see extrinsic

— alien-ly adverb

If I jaywalk, that doesn't make me an illegal walker. If I get a speeding ticket, that doesn't make me an illegal driver.

Actually, that is exactly what it makes you.

You are pretty sanctimonious considering your post is factually incorrect. Words mean things. Just because that meaning does not fit into your world view does not make the meaning change.

bigjim · Feb 25, 2009

Would you prefer the person die then? Would that satisfy you as a tax payer?

I would prefer they were sent back where they came from. Essentially all of the countries from which illegal aliens originate have universal health care. If it's so great, why don't they get it fixed there?

LilyBlue · Feb 25, 2009

I would not want to deny anyone healthcare, but they AREN'T paying the same taxes that we are. How can you pay federal or state income tax if officially you don't exist?

bigjim · Feb 25, 2009

California and the other border states used to be called Mexico. It was Mexico until we invaded it and killed the inhabitants. Infact, the entire country used to be, for thousands of years, the sole property of native Americans. That makes us illegal aliens if there is such a thing. If you are a nurse then you ought to have gone to college and learned this stuff so it doesn't need repeating. But I digress, finders keepers!

Every country has done this. It doesn't make it more right or wrong that we did it here too, but other than the original indigenous settlers for any particular area everyone is living on conquered ground. To suggest moving the entire world's population back to an arbitrary historical former homeland is absurd.

And why are you insinuating that all illegal aliens come from Mexico? Are you racist?

Ruby Vee, BSN · Feb 25, 2009

would you prefer the person die then? would that satisfy you as a tax payer?
i'm actually pretty surprised here by some of the opinions. these 'illegal aliens' are people as well who have most likely come from disadvantaged background and suffered more than anyone can imagine. to say that the thought of them receiving a potentially life saving device makes you cringe is actually quite sad. i would hope for your patient's sake that as nurse you don't reflect these sorts of judgements onto them.
i couldn't care less whether my patient is an illegal immigrant or australian citizen. they are a human being and deserve compassion and i'm more than happy for my tax payers money to go towards giving someone a fair go.

what i'm thinking is that if hospitals are going to provide extraordinary healthcare for folks who cannot afford it, then they ought to start by providing it to folks who are here in this country legally. we have plenty of legal residents who have come from horribly disadvantaged backgrounds and suffered just as much as anyone. the difference is, they have jumped through the required hoops to be here legally. i think it's horribly sad that legal residents and actual citizens cannot get the same level of extraordinary health care without paying for it; at least for some of it. yet someone who has not done what is required to be here legally can. we ought to be taking care of our own disadvantaged before we start giving free health care to the rest of the world.

zuzi · Feb 25, 2009

RV is a global problem WHERE american's money are going. When helath care system is work in the way that all of us here see, when we have 8 pages with "hospital wasting money" writen by NURSES.... illegal alliens are a SMALL part of problem, and FOCUS JUST ON THEM is unethical.

I will tell you a story, trying to not enter in scientific theory with you, because is a public forum here....

From where I come is a sentence "if somenthing stinks in your yard, throught out the stinky think in your neighborhourd back yard" and will be not your fault at all. Damn it illegal aliens... health care collapsed because of them, loooool.

Not true at all! They are may be just part of problem, but in the same time, are the resoultion for many others ecomic problems here.

Be open mind and see reality STRAIGHT IN FACE! We need them and we need to make them to be legal and let them to work and give them the same health care like for us my dear, because at another level they work also!

And the story is: My nana also a MBA manager, loool, freaky huh, alien also, came here couple of years ago.... NOW in full ecominical crisis, opened around 50 manufacture positions and start hiring process. For MANUFACTURIAL positions apllied JUST MEXICANS. Any others don't need jobs?????? We are in crisis! She hired MEXICANS, and they work hard.

Give them a chance and let them to become legals instead to fight against them to be send at home! They passed the borders for a good life, but they are still good! Supposing that they enterd here legal or are legal and with all of that are bad boys that is another story! May be one day one of good ilegal alliens, became legal, will become the new MBA manager on our facilities, looool, because he could see the differences......... THIS IS MY AMERICA, land of freedom for all!

Illegals need to become legals and have the same rights like you even a heart transplant, loool.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Feb 25, 2009

Hmmm yeah real compelling argument you have there

I'm tired of the repetetition. And yes, they are breaking our communities, our heath care system ,etc, etc. I'm sick, and, tired, of explaining it over and over to those that refuse to understand.

Compelling or not. I dont' have to use fancy words to describe what is going on. It IS going on. Get over it.

Would you prefer the person die then? Would that satisfy you as a tax payer?

Send them back home. I don't see any of you talking about the ethics of their home country now do I?

Nope.

You know, some of these ILLEGAL aliens (Yes, it's a real term and it does exist) are hungry and need food.

Why don't we let them walk into our supermarkets and take whatever groceries that they need. I mean, heck, they work hard and are hungry.

Oh, I wonder if it's because it's not right, fair or legal. Maybe that's it?

Or could it be that supermarkets would go out of business? Could that be it?

They need clothes too. Should we allow them free access to the mall? Take whatever clothes you need. Because they work hard illegally entering and illegally residing in our country, so let's support them and encourage them by giving them free clothes.

What's next???

Otessa, BSN, RN · Feb 25, 2009

"ILLEGAL, ALIEN......... Let's face facts. People who are living in the country without proper documentation are not guilty of anything"

Are you KIDDING??!!

otessa

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP · Feb 25, 2009

Another friendly reminder that the topic is not immigration but how hospitals waste money. I think we can all agree that many, if not most, hospitals are losing money on patients of all backgrounds that do not have insurance or are being treated way beyond what would be appropriate. However, this thread is not the place for debating the ethics of immigration, or immigration policy.

Thanks.

lindarn · Feb 25, 2009

RV is a global problem WHERE american's money are going. When helath care system is work in the way that all of us here see, when we have 8 pages with "hospital wasting money" writen by NURSES.... illegal alliens are a SMALL part of problem, and FOCUS JUST ON THEM is unethical.
I will tell you a story, trying to not enter in scientific theory with you, because is a public forum here....
From where I come is a sentence "if somenthing stinks in your yard, throught out the stinky think in your neighborhourd back yard" and will be not your fault at all. Damn it illegal aliens... health care collapsed because of them, loooool.
Not true at all! They are may be just part of problem, but in the same time, are the resoultion for many others ecomic problems here.
Be open mind and see reality STRAIGHT IN FACE! We need them and we need to make them to be legal and let them to work and give them the same health care like for us my dear, because at another level they work also!
And the story is: My nana also a MBA manager, loool, freaky huh, alien also, came here couple of years ago.... NOW in full ecominical crisis, opened around 50 manufacture positions and start hiring process. For MANUFACTURIAL positions apllied JUST MEXICANS. Any others don't need jobs?????? We are in crisis! She hired MEXICANS, and they work hard.
Give them a chance and let them to become legals instead to fight against them to be send at home! They passed the borders for a good life, but they are still good! Supposing that they enterd here legal or are legal and with all of that are bad boys that is another story! May be one day one of good ilegal alliens, became legal, will become the new MBA manager on our facilities, looool, because he could see the differences......... THIS IS MY AMERICA, land of freedom for all!
Illegals need to become legals and have the same rights like you even a heart transplant, loool.

And how much money was your "MBA nana", willing to pay these Citizen applicants for these jobs? This is an old argument, that is used by the CEOs of large corporations. It holds no water with me. They structure their salaries at slave wages, no benefits, and then cry to the governent that these are jobs that Americans won't do. Pay them a salary that is not slave wages, and you will be surprised as who will apply. JMHO and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN

Spokane, Washington