How long before NPs will be able to do surgery solo?

[platon20]

Fellow NPs, I think this is coming soon. I know many NPs who are first assists right now. They do 95% of the surgery while the MD does the other 5%

However, the NPs I know are well trained to where they could easily do the other 5% of the surgery that the MD does currently

I think its time for our PAC and lobbying organizations to get behind this effort. Doing surgery has been part of nursing practice for a long time now, its time for the world to recognize that we NPs are surgeons too and we can do it just as well as the MDs, if not better.

We need to move on this issue.

[surgpa]

Fellow NPs, I think this is coming soon. I know many NPs who are first assists right now. They do 95% of the surgery while the MD does the other 5%

However, the NPs I know are well trained to where they could easily do the other 5% of the surgery that the MD does currently

I think its time for our PAC and lobbying organizations to get behind this effort. Doing surgery has been part of nursing practice for a long time now, its time for the world to recognize that we NPs are surgeons too and we can do it just as well as the MDs, if not better.

We need to move on this issue.

I don't know what you are smoking, but I'd put that one away...

I've been a PA and RN for quite some time and have been ASSISTING in CVS since 1987. I would not say I could not do the vast majority of the operation from a technical standpoint, but I lack the depth of experience and TRAINING to handle the infinite number of complications that may arise.

Thinking you can do it is a whole lot different than actually having done it or having been trained to do it. Go to med school and a surgical residency if you want to be a doc. Thats what those schools are for.

Mike

PA/RN

[RedCell]

platon20,

All doctors including surgeons have to understand

anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, pathology, pharmacology, etc. .

Agreed, with the exception of orthopods. All those guys have to know is how to bang a hammer really hard. So easy a caveman could do it. I've never heard of an orthopod knowing much about biochemistry.

[kadokin, ASN, RN]

Agreed, with the exception of orthopods. All those guys have to know is how to bang a hammer really hard. So easy a caveman could do it. I've never heard of an orthopod knowing much about biochemistry.

Yeah, but do orthopods perform surgery?

Seriously.

I'm asking b/c I don't know.

I've only been acquainted w/2. One was a psychiatrist. The other an OB who begged out on "complicated" deliveries.

:uhoh21:

[kadokin, ASN, RN]

I don't know what you are smoking, but I'd put that one away...

I've been a PA and RN for quite some time and have been ASSISTING in CVS since 1987. I would not say I could not do the vast majority of the operation from a technical standpoint, but I lack the depth of experience and TRAINING to handle the infinite number of complications that may arise.

Thinking you can do it is a whole lot different than actually having done it or having been trained to do it. Go to med school and a surgical residency if you want to be a doc. Thats what those schools are for.

Mike

PA/RN

I agree!

[RedCell]

orthopod=bone surgeon

[kadokin, ASN, RN]

orthopod=bone surgeon

HA! Forgive my stupidity :uhoh21: ! I saw orthopod and thought: Osteopath.

Again: DUH!

[carachel2]

Fellow NPs, I think this is coming soon. I know many NPs who are first assists right now. They do 95% of the surgery while the MD does the other 5%

However, the NPs I know are well trained to where they could easily do the other 5% of the surgery that the MD does currently

I think its time for our PAC and lobbying organizations to get behind this effort. Doing surgery has been part of nursing practice for a long time now, its time for the world to recognize that we NPs are surgeons too and we can do it just as well as the MDs, if not better.

We need to move on this issue.

I'm in school to be an NP and I wouldn't mind an NP/RNFA ASSISTING with the surgery but HECK NO to having them run them show ! Good grief...most RN and NP schools don't even require gross anatomy

But then again, I'm not one of those NP's who blatantly thinks our training is just as good as MD training.

[Raeth]

HA! Forgive my stupidity :uhoh21: ! I saw orthopod and thought: Osteopath.

Again: DUH!

Yes, they can/do perform surgery. They have the same amount of education as an MD (4 yrs undergrad, 4 yrs medical school + specialty), they have some extra training in the musculoskeletal system... I believe more DOs choose family practice when compared to MDs, but there is nothing barring them from any area of medicine that I know of.

A quick google search will turn up all the info needed about the two, and also about all the other nursing specialties people have mentioned.

Sorry to get off topic...

[PMFB-RN, RN]

Sunnyjohn - It has been my OR experience from the last civilian surgical environment I worked that the Anesthesiologist must be present at intubation & extubation. True, the CRNA 9 x's out of 10 does the intubation, yet I would not consider the CRNA in solo practice. I do know that in the military CRNAs are given a great deal more of autonomy, yet that is true in all aspects of military healthcare & related positions.

more than willing to have an CRNA the entire case as long as an Anesthesiologist is nearby.

*** CRNAs provide all the anesthesia to 100% of cases in many hospitals. In some cases without an MDA within hundreds of miles. I have had surgery several times as has my wife. In both our cases CRNAs were the sole providers and the hospital didn't have an MDA with privileges on staff. I was totally OK with this.

NP surgery might be a different matter. That said I have seen Special Forces 18 Deltas do surgery in the field with great success.

[YellowBoneRN]

Fellow NPs, I think this is coming soon. I know many NPs who are first assists right now. They do 95% of the surgery while the MD does the other 5%

However, the NPs I know are well trained to where they could easily do the other 5% of the surgery that the MD does currently

I think its time for our PAC and lobbying organizations to get behind this effort. Doing surgery has been part of nursing practice for a long time now, its time for the world to recognize that we NPs are surgeons too and we can do it just as well as the MDs, if not better.

We need to move on this issue.

Guys, don't bite my head off...and I also don't work in OR...but isn't that a bad idea for a FNP to be solely responsible for results during an operative procedure...would you want that responsiblity???

[surgpa]

Not going to happen.....ever.

[sirI, MSN, APRN, NP]

Agree.........never.