How do you feel about ADN nurses?

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My name is Stacy and i will be graduating in May with my ADN nursing degree. I was wondering what everyone thinks about nurses with ADN degrees? Do you think they should go on? Let me know what you all think.

No I'm currently a nursing student at a university. I am not degrading ADNs at all! I'm just saying the ana for 40 years now has been pushing for the BSN to be the entry level nursing degree.

Let me define the qualifications for a profession:

Higher education

Vital to human welfare

Autonomous

Code of Ethics

Entry level education

Service over personal gain

Adequate Compensation

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Now nurisng meets most of these qualifications except two: entry level education and autonomous.

Professions have at least 4 years of college education which nursing does not.

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Nursing is NOT officially a profession.

It is a professional career.

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I think you all have the misconception that I don't think adns are qualified that is not the case. I have much respect for all nurses i was just pointing out that fact

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Please Michele G. Don't degrade or belittle anyone because you were able to pass the nclex with 2 years of education. You are one person, everyone is different. Some people are just bad test takers...

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Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rotfl:

i didn't know they had a BSN course on "talking to medical professionals"....damn should have taken that one....

I have known for quite some time you need to take a Bull Sh#t Nicely course before talking to other medical professionals.. ROTFLMAO!! :rotfl:

(Don't hate me too much.. I just joined the forum)

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Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession

I agree with the ANA in that the BSN should be the minimum level of education.

Then I guess you wouldn't mind handling both yours and my patient loads? :uhoh3:

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ADNs are one of the reasons nursing cannot be considered a profession

I agree with the ANA in that the BSN should be the minimum level of education.

So you're saying my ASN degree doesn't make me a professional?

I think you should wait a while before you start making those kind of observations and conclusions. At least until you finish your education. I'm sure there are several, including myself, ASN's that could nurse circles around you!

You asked for it!

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So you're saying my ASN degree doesn't make me a professional?

I think you should wait a while before you start making those kind of observations and conclusions. At least until you finish your education. I'm sure there are several, including myself, ASN's that could nurse circles around you!

You asked for it!

why does everyone see me as the enemy here?

I was just simply stating THE FACT that nursing is NOT officially recognized as a profession because they do not meet the criteria because of the associate degree program. Why is that so hard to accept?

I never said that I think ADNS are less qualified or never meant anything malicious by saying that. Can you find a line where I stated that I think ADNS are not professionals, made an attack on ADNS, or they said are less qualified? You are the ones who are attacking me for just stating pure facts. Why are all of the ADNS becoming so defensive all of a sudden?

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Specializes in Psych, CVICU, SICU, MICU, PICU.
No I'm currently a nursing student at a university. I am not degrading ADNs at all! I'm just saying the ana for 40 years now has been pushing for the BSN to be the entry level nursing degree.

Let me define the qualifications for a profession:

Higher education

Vital to human welfare

Autonomous

Code of Ethics

Entry level education

Service over personal gain

Adequate Compensation

------------

Now nurisng meets most of these qualifications except two: entry level education and autonomous.

Professions have at least 4 years of college education which nursing does not.

I beg to differ with the education aspect.. How is taking a few more courses in humanities going to make me more 'professional' or 'autonomous'?

May I offer you a piece of advice, since you are a nursing student working on your BSN? One of the main things I have seen, that have put many patients in jeopordy, is the Graduate BSN (and a few ADN's) that fails to ask questions when in doubt from the experienced RN mentor (that very well may be a BSN or an ADN).. They are afraid that it makes them look 'stupid'.. This is definitely not the case.. There are times I will question an order and bounce it off of one of my colleages. Remember one thing.. Just because a Physician orders something, you are held just as liable for carrying out an order that is potentially dangerous to the patient.. (I work in a teaching hospital)

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I dont know what you are talking about, because I did have 2 years of clinical experience, and I dont have a BSN. Also, in Florida the BSN program only gave their students 1 year of clinical experience, and they were only on the floor for 4 hours 2x a week, in my program we were on the floors for atleast 8 hours sometimes full shifts (12hrs) 2-3 times a week. I know of some people who wished they went to my school instead of the BSN school, because we did learn more, and the school was well known for it's nursing program. All the hospitals we went to, the nurses rather have a student from our school than one from the BSN school, taking care of their patients. I worked with some BSN students who just don't know as much as the ASN nurses, so it really comes down to experience!!!

I know so many people who did not graduate from college and are 10x smarter than people with BSN and Master degrees, and that is becasue they worked 10x harder and have more experience, since they have been working since they were teenagers. I have a friend who has a BSN degree in education and going for her masters, and I really hate to say it, but she is not the smartest person around, she is very nieve and has no street smarts. I also have a friend who is a Medical Assistant, who has been doing it for many years, and she sometimes knows more than I do. Once again, it is not about how much education you have, it all comes down to EXPERIENCE!!!

Michele

I guess you don't know what I am talking about. I am sorry.

I meant the ACCELERATED STUDENTS who spend ONE YEAR IN NURSING SCHOOL do not have the clinical experiences generic ADN/BSN students do. Does that clear it up? Thanks for letting me try and clarify myself. :)

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I beg to differ with the education aspect.. How is taking a few more courses in humanities going to make me more 'professional' or 'autonomous'?

May I offer you a piece of advice, since you are a nursing student working on your BSN? One of the main things I have seen, that have put many patients in jeopordy, is the Graduate BSN (and a few ADN's) that fails to ask questions when in doubt from the experienced RN mentor (that very well may be a BSN or an ADN).. They are afraid that it makes them look 'stupid'.. This is definitely not the case.. There are times I will question an order and bounce it off of one of my colleages. Remember one thing.. Just because a Physician orders something, you are held just as liable for carrying out an order that is potentially dangerous to the patient.. (I work in a teaching hospital)

Yes this is very true. In fact that is a misconception. Nurses do in fact have autonomy because they CHOOSE whether or not they need to carry out an order or not but it is still seen as a subservient role to a physician. I think society needs to open their eyes. Also nurses are rarely quoted in the media. Even if it has to do directly with the patient they still quote the physician. I think nurses deserve more recognition for their work.

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I guess you don't know what I am talking about. I am sorry.

I meant the ACCELERATED STUDENTS who spend ONE YEAR IN NURSING SCHOOL do not have the clinical experiences generic ADN/BSN students do. Does that clear it up? Thanks for letting me try and clarify myself. :)

I'm sorry my fault I misread your post, but I was just replying in general to the others, that feel BSN's are better than ASN nurses because they have more education, which I do not agree with.

Michele

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I am an AD nurse. Anyone who knows me knows what an advocate for AD nurses I am. Lol, *shakes your hand* no harm, no foul. Check this site out if you feel about ADN nurses AND their professionalism as I do:

http://www.noadn.org/

I don't like people (students in particular, because they don't know about us or real world nursing yet) maligning our professionalism or place in professional nursing. I further despise people saying they know "who we are" by talking to us, as if we sound undereducated or stupid...and YES I have seen a couple people say that right here on these boards. It's insulting, on both counts.

Higher Education is never to be knocked, and I plan to get a BSN or other bachelors one day....but I am purty darn sick of seeing BSN and MSN nurses knock OUR educational choices. *off soapbox now*

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My name is Stacy and i will be graduating in May with my ADN nursing degree. I was wondering what everyone thinks about nurses with ADN degrees? Do you think they should go on? Let me know what you all think.

Stacy -

First, don't let all these nurses who have been slamming you about "Why didn't you do a search first for this topic" get to you. They're the same nurses who beat up new nurses in their first jobs and make them want to quit nursing.

Second, shame on all of you "experienced" people who slammed Stacy for asking a question that's been asked a gazillion times in the last 40+ years. Stop beating up the youngun's, they are the nurse that will be your relief when you get too old to do the job and your caretaker when you're too old to take care of yourself. Don't you remember pondering this question for the first time? I'll be there was someone else who asked the question before you did, did you get beat up because you asked a question? When will nursing stop "eating their young"?

Now, back to you, Stacy. You will find out whether or not you "need" to go on, or if you even "want" to go on, based on your experiences. There are no "shoulds", only "wants". My ADN is more than 30 years old. My Bachelor's is not in Nursing, however it has served me very well in my career, at least as well or maybe even better than a BSN would have. Likewise, my Master's is not in Nursing, however it has served me far better than an MSN would have. I was a great critical care nurse for more than 20 years, I was a fine educator, risk manager, quality outcomes manager, and chief nursing executive, all on an ADN, a BA and an MA. Now my years of clinical and administrative experience serve me very well outside of the hospital, in quality compliance in medical manufacturing.

I didn't know 30 years ago whether I needed any more education or not, my experiences helped me decide that along the way. That's one of the beauties of Nursing as a career - the opportunties are limited only by your enthusiasm for the possibilities. Good luck to you as you begin your career, learn from your achievements as well as your mistakes, take stock every once in a while to make sure you're still doing what you want to be doing, and if you are then congratulations, if you're not then do what's right for you to make it good again.

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No I'm currently a nursing student at a university. I am not degrading ADNs at all! I'm just saying the ana for 40 years now has been pushing for the BSN to be the entry level nursing degree.

Let me define the qualifications for a profession:

Higher education

Vital to human welfare

Autonomous

Code of Ethics

Entry level education

Service over personal gain

Adequate Compensation

------------

Now nurisng meets most of these qualifications except two: entry level education and autonomous.

Professions have at least 4 years of college education which nursing does not.

----------

Nursing is NOT officially a profession.

It is a professional career.

----------

I think you all have the misconception that I don't think adns are qualified that is not the case. I have much respect for all nurses i was just pointing out that fact

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Please Michele G. Don't degrade or belittle anyone because you were able to pass the nclex with 2 years of education. You are one person, everyone is different. Some people are just bad test takers...

I wasnt degrading or belittling anyone, it was a joke!! I was just trying to point something out, and giving the others something to think about. Especially to those who think they can talk and spell better than me, becasue they have a BSN degree and I only have an ASN degree.

Anyway....

Autonomous or not, we all had higher education, we all passed the NCLEX and we are all RN's, I do believe we are a profession, and all of us are PROFESSIONALS.

Michele

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