How do you feel about ADN nurses?

SmilingBluEyes · Mar 16, 2005

and just in case you wonder, mr blue sky, an ADN takes more like 3 or more years.....we don't lack as much as you think in the way of hours and time spent schooling.

sunshines66, BSN · Mar 16, 2005

I am suprised that nurses that have worked together can have that much arrogance to think he/she is superior based on his/her degree. I am not going to say which I have. I think all nurses have strengths and weakness. The same as all people. A good team works to utilize the strengths of all team members. Ignorance is not modified by the level of college education. I have worked in the same unit for almost 7 years, and I don't know (or care) what my co-workers academic qualifications are. I do know what their strengths and weakness are. I look to my co-workers to help me with a problem and I help them with theirs. I personally think nurses can be their own worst enemy. I hope there are no nurses who make others feel inferior based on educational degrees. In my unit we try to focus on the good thinks every team member does.

tfunkrn · Mar 16, 2005

Yes this is very true. In fact that is a misconception. Nurses do in fact have autonomy because they CHOOSE whether or not they need to carry out an order or not but it is still seen as a subservient role to a physician. I think society needs to open their eyes. Also nurses are rarely quoted in the media. Even if it has to do directly with the patient they still quote the physician. I think nurses deserve more recognition for their work.

With the media.. my experience has been that they quote someone from administration that has no idea what is going on.. and who is quick to try to push the blame over to the nurse. If something goes wrong, it is not because the hospital was trying to 'save a buck' by having an ICU Nurse with 3 patients or a Med/Surg nurse with 15 patients.. They now have found a new crutch.. The Nursing Shortage.. Despite having several un-processed applications for employment sitting on their desk for months.. (I saw a map recently that showed that the part of Kansas I live in does not have a nursing shortage)

SmilingBluEyes · Mar 16, 2005

I am suprised that nurses that have worked together can have that much arrogance to think he/she is superior based on his/her degree. I am not going to say which I have. I think all nurses have strengths and weakness. The same as all people. A good team works to utilize the strengths of all team members. Ignorance is not modified by the level of college education. I have worked in the same unit for almost 7 years, and I don't know (or care) what my co-workers academic qualifications are. I do know what their strengths and weakness are. I look to my co-workers to help me with a problem and I help them with theirs. I personally think nurses can be their own worst enemy. I hope there are no nurses who make others feel inferior based on educational degrees. In my unit we try to focus on the good thinks every team member does.

I sometimes think people say things online they never would face to face......cause I have never heard such degrading put-downs toward others' educational choices as I have here. It's sad.

lauriee · Mar 16, 2005

My name is Stacy and i will be graduating in May with my ADN nursing degree. I was wondering what everyone thinks about nurses with ADN degrees? Do you think they should go on? Let me know what you all think.

I am an ADN nurse who was working on a BSN 20 years ago, started having kids, and put it on hold. I am now in a RN-BSN program and love the learning process so much more than when I was younger. Most of the nurses in the program just want to have more career options.

sunshines66, BSN · Mar 16, 2005

I sometimes think people say things online they never would face to face......cause I have never heard such degrading put-downs toward others' educational choices as I have here. It's sad.

I am not degrading others based on their educational choices. It is not what we focus on in my unit. I am happy to support anyone who does anything to improve themselves. I thought I was clear that it doesn't matter what degree the nurse has. If she (he) is an RN, the NCLEX is the standard that has to be passed. ALL nurses regardless of degree has strengths and weakness. Thank GOD for that or who would I look to for help in a difficult situation if we where all the same. I guess, I didn't state that well enough before. In my unit we have had discussions on assignments for the next shift based on the individual skills of a nurse to better handle the situation. We have never said "Since Susis has her BSN she can take care of this situation better" Please let me know what was so degrading about what I said. I have never told a co-worker "I don't care what degree you have" It honestly just doesn't come up. We have too many other issue to deal with.

AdvancedTheraphy · Mar 16, 2005

Because BSNs seem outnumbered in this forum by ADNs and this ADN vs. BSN battle is never going to die, why don't we leave the ADNs alone to do what they do best: technical nursing and let's start a BSN vs. MSN instead? Or, even more exciting, an MSN vs PhD battle. This would be hilarious at best! Because there is no professional unity among supposedly 'RN Professionals' anyway as evidenced by the way people here post their comments, let's continue to cry foul and be *****es to one another. It's a shame we call ourselves professionals when we don't just simply put the educational differences behind us and just try to get along? Shame, shame, shame.

AdvancedTheraphy · Mar 17, 2005

That is so not true. No matter what initals are behind our names, we all took the same test, and all of us are RN's (maybe I am smarter than a BSN nurse becasue I was able to pass the NCLEX with 2 years of education...LOL). No matter how much education any of us had, we are RN's and an RN is a PROFESSION no matter what...hence the new name REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL NURSE.
Beware MyBlueSky I was nice, you may come accoss some others that might be very agnry with what you said!!!
I guess since you are still a student you have a lot to learn. If you needed a minimum of a BSN degree to be a nurse, then we would be in trouble, we would have even more of a greater shortage, and healthcare would not be the same.
Michele

Michelle G., your comment about being smarter than BSNs because you passed NCLEX with 2 years of education is silly at best! If you think hard enough about the curriculum structure differences between the two, you would not have said that comment (even in parenthesis)! This kind of comment is reflective of the 2-year education you have.

tfunkrn · Mar 17, 2005

I sometimes think people say things online they never would face to face......cause I have never heard such degrading put-downs toward others' educational choices as I have here. It's sad.

I am happy for those that have decided to pursue their education further, but we all must not lose sight on what the main focus of Nursing really is.. The Patient. All of us have requirements for CEU's.. so we all are pursuing our education further with each class we take, and each new learning experience we encounter.

I hope no one has taken anything I have said as degrading, because I did not mean it to be.. I try to always focus on what is best for my patients..

[email protected] · Mar 17, 2005

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SmilingBluEyes · Mar 17, 2005

I did not point to *your* saying anything, sunshine (my people are defensive here today).

I am simply addressing your concern. I said it before; Allnurses is the only place I have heard people slam others' education levels like this. On these very boards, I have seen people actually intimate MSN's have "no common sense" , "BSN's can't handle floor nursing and have no clinical ability "......

.....and I have seen people time and again put down ADNs as "the ones dragging the whole profession down" , or "easy to pick out from BSN's or higher". Seems to me people take license on the internet to slam one another that they likely would NOT in person----and it's got to stop here, cause it's not helping anyone. Anyhow be all that as it may.....

I think it is high time to stop putting down each others' choices and unite and tackle larger issues. All this infighting in our ranks does nothing for our more pressing causes.

SmilingBluEyes · Mar 17, 2005

I am happy for those that have decided to pursue their education further, but we all must not lose sight on what the main focus of Nursing really is.. The Patient. All of us have requirements for CEU's.. so we all are pursuing our education further with each class we take, and each new learning experience we encounter.
I hope no one has taken anything I have said as degrading, because I did not mean it to be.. I try to always focus on what is best for my patients..

I agree here...it is about the patients. And yes, all of us who are in active practice ARE expected to upgrade and improve our eduation all the time. I can't argue w/what you say here.