How bad will it get in the fall/Winter time?

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And is there anything we can do to prepare ourselves for what is to come??

Best case scenario, there will be a vaccine, however I highly doubt it we will have anything in the next few months.

Is there anything health care facilities can do to prepare? Extra ICU beds/Covid units? Stock up on PPE?

What about non work, stock up on food/water/necessities, and be ready to hunker down?

This doesn't look good to me at all. I am in FL and despite the warm weather the virus is spreading like wildfire. Our hospitals are overwhelmed at the moment. We have Covid units in SNF facilities. I can only imagine when the cold weather hits , and everyone will be inside most of the time, how bad it will get.

What are your thoughts?

7 hours ago, NewRN'16 said:

I may sound like a complete nut, but what if the virus survives in athmosphere more than previously thought? This thing is definitely airborne IMO.

I at a loss ?

We're all at a loss. It came back in China and other countries too. Seems like it's here to stay.

Here's proof of some of our unanswered covid questions. It is airborne and was found in aerosols.

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A research team at the University of Florida succeeded in isolating live virus from aerosols collected at a distance of seven to 16 feet from patients hospitalized with Covid-19 — farther than the six feet recommended in social distancing guidelines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

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I cannot imagine where they got that 6 foot distance idea. There is engineering research out there showing that without a mask, coughs/sneezes sent spray out 26 feet or so. I can find no research indicating a 6 foot distance from a person with a disease that can be droplet transmitted would be safe. I am also very disgusted that they keep saying you wear a mask to protect others, implying it won't protect you. Mask wearers do get significant amounts of protection from masks, and the amount of protection has been shown to depend a great deal on the material the mask is made of, how many layers in the mask, and especially if there is a polypropylene filter in the mask. Maybe people would be a LOT more willing to wear masks if they knew they personally got some protection against the virus from wearing the mask.

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20 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

I read that yesterday. The family apparently didn't travel anywhere so how did they get it? Also, the twentysomething people in quarantine, did they come back to NZ and were quarantined, or did they already have it and were a leftover of the previous outbreak?

At the moment they are in the process of contact tracing to see if there is any connection to any of the current cases. We have another 13 cases today which have a direct connection to the orginal four.

As for the other 20 odd cases, they are related to people who have come back to the country and tested postive while in 14 day quarantine I believe (could have that wrong though)

Hi, I am a 2nd year nursing student. I was wondering if there is research on whether solely nasal breathing will prevent infection compared to mouth breathing. I have been experimenting with nasal breathing for 2 weeks through hiking, sitting on desk, and sleeping. Anecdotally, I feel less anxious and take control of my emotion more often.

But more importantly, Patrick Mckowen who teaches Buteyko Method to reach optimal CO2 and O2 level with Bohr's Effect.

https://oxygenadvantage.com/science/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buteyko_method

I read that some people have been stressed out from the pandemic. I wonder if changing the breathing method have been tried by you guys or have been recommended to public and patients? Patients with comorbidity may have more difficulty to gradually adapting to nasal breathing, but I thought this could be a simple forgotten way to cope stress.

3 hours ago, boochohandsup said:

Hi, I am a 2nd year nursing student. I was wondering if there is research on whether solely nasal breathing will prevent infection compared to mouth breathing. I have been experimenting with nasal breathing for 2 weeks through hiking, sitting on desk, and sleeping. Anecdotally, I feel less anxious and take control of my emotion more often.

But more importantly, Patrick Mckowen who teaches Buteyko Method to reach optimal CO2 and O2 level with Bohr's Effect.

https://oxygenadvantage.com/science/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buteyko_method

I read that some people have been stressed out from the pandemic. I wonder if changing the breathing method have been tried by you guys or have been recommended to public and patients? Patients with comorbidity may have more difficulty to gradually adaptivt to nasal breathing, but I thought this could be a simple forgotten way to cope stress.

I’m glad that you’ve found a way to feel less anxious. But to answer your question, no this is not something I’ve recommended to my patients (or tried myself). Seeing as you’re a future nurse, I think this might be a good place to start your journey in evidence-based medicine and nursing. Have you tried to find research that supports his method? I hope I don’t come off as condescending. That’s not my intention. I just think it’s a good habit to have, and there’s no time like the present ?

I hadn’t heard of the man or the method before I read you post. What do you (or he) consider optimal CO2 and O2 levels? And what makes them optimal?

I tried watching one of his Youtube clips, but I have to be honest with you. I gave up after just a few minutes when he said that fast breathing causes an ”agitated mind”. My woo alarm went off.

From what I gather he reckons that many people are chronically hyperventilating and become hypocapnic as a result, and his goal seems to be a rightward shift of the oxyhemoglobin dissociation curve, (which decreases hemoglobin-oxygen affinity).

From what I understand his method seems to involve practicing how to decrease both respiratory rate and volume.

As I said, I didn’t spend many minutes trying to figure out what his method was all about, so I might have missed something.

Best wishes for your future career!

13 hours ago, boochohandsup said:
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I have been experimenting with nasal breathing for two weeks through hiking, sitting on a desk, and sleeping.


Hello again! I’ve done some more reading and discovered that it appears some followers of this method actually tape their mouth shut when sleeping(!) I’m not sure if that’s what you’re doing when you say you’ve been experimenting with nasal breathing during sleep? I missed that part when I first read your post. Anyway, that’s not something I would ever do, or recommend that someone else do.

I found an interesting analysis of this technique and I think it might be good for you to read it and continue your research from there.


https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/buteyko-breathing-technique-nothing-to-hyperventilate-about/



I started taking jujutsu classes in my early teens and have kept it up ever since. That’s about thirty years by now ? So I know that breathing exercises can be used to help you both relax and focus. All I’m saying is learn to be a critical, inquiring reader and research consumer.


Take care!

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