I've been a public health nurse for a year and 6 mos of cardiac pcu prior to that.
2 weeks ago I interviewed for a cardiac tele floor at ********, and it went wonderfully. The hiring manager gave me a tour of the entire unit and introduced me to almost every nurse. At the end of the tour/interview, she shook my hand and even gave me a hug and said, "Welcome to the team!"
She told me to wait and hear from the HR department. After almost 2 weeks of not hearing anything I gave the recruiter a call and she very rudely said that they would not be hiring me and that they hired another candidate instead. I explained how the manager that I interviewed with had offered me the position and that I was very confused and wondered if she could share what went wrong or why I was being denied the position (there were day and night positions available, btw). She said she couldn't say anything. Nothing about my references or what went wrong. Just that they weren't going to offer me the position, but could not tell me a single reason why. I called the hiring manager afterwards, since she had given me her cell phone number, and she could tell I was upset and said that she would call the recruiter herself because she really wanted to hire me but HR told her that she couldn't. She called me back about 5 mins later and told me that the recruiter said she couldn't tell her or myself why. I didn't authorize a background check or anything (not that anything is on it anyways). All of my references checked out because I called each and every one of them and all gave glowing references.
I'm so confused and upset. Has anyone else had an experience like this or have any feedback?
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
Maybe try completely different references for the next go around and see if that makes a difference. Could give you some insight into whether or not they're the reason....i.e. telling you one story and the recruiters another.
I agree that an internal applicant is a likely scenario, as I had this happen with a couple of applications/interviews. However, in my case, the manager informed me that I was bumped by internal candidates.
It would have been nice to know one way or another :-/
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
Yes I did. 6 to be exact.
Whoa, I misunderstood. I thought you said at one point that the reference and background check had not yet happened because they hadn't yet asked for one.
I amend my previous statement - I'm putting odds on one or several of your references gave you a poor reference.
Whoa, I misunderstood. I thought you said at one point that the reference and background check had not yet happened because they hadn't yet asked for one.
I amend my previous statement - I'm putting odds on one or several of your references gave you a poor reference.
They send out an "email reference", where they email all of my references, rather than calling. I have very close relationships with everyone I put. None of them were called, so I'm betting it's something else. I think it was given to an internal or part of a new grad residency hire, which this specific recruiter was apparently just wrapping up the week before I was told no.
Specializes in Flight, ER, Transport, ICU/Critical Care.
A couple of points on references.
There are companies that use "blind" recorded lines to check references on you. You hire them, give the necessary background info and one of their HR specialist does reference checks - for a position at xxxx - worth every penny.
Once you find the turd, well, you'll know what to do. IMHO I'd go 5:2 there's a big sneaky stinky in the reference bowl. Welcome the nursing!
I always get written letter of reference on my assignments/contracts and jobs. ALWAYS. Or written letters of RECOMMENDATION. ALWAYS. I carry these written letters of reference that I offer to pass on from direct managers and supervisors, directors - keeps communication issues low.
Most HR folks host ONLY do dates of hire and eligible for rehire.
People that get caught in negative opinions or give "unofficial helpful" reviews that cannot be supported by facts become and then go near slanderous have had issues.
Example: Her time management was poor, always slow, always tardy and often late. Seemed like the last to get her work done. Lots of patient complaints. Well folks if that person gets caught in that - there better be HR records that support that to a "T" - otherwise, que, a BIG PROBLEM.
Most organizations have stopped this practice as a kind of nonsense.
See if you got a turd reference, flush, scrub, and the let it go. So many opportunities out there yo waste energy on THAT!
Perhaps ask for actual letters of reference and recommendation (try and get cell contacts added -- people do move on) saying you are looking at a big relocation and this may make the process easier
Specializes in Flight, ER, Transport, ICU/Critical Care.
It would have been nice to know one way or another :-/
If it was an internal candidate there is absolutely NO, as in NONE, or ZERO, reason the hiring manager should NOT be able to verbalized with actual ENGLISH LANGUAGE WORDS, gee, I'm sorry ReifRn, we got our wires crossed and HR had approved an INTERNAL CANDIDATE.
NO WE ARE NOT THE CIA, BUT ARE BEING VERY SECRET SQUIRREL, SO WE CANT SPEAK OF IT REQUIRED BS.
THIS IS WHY WHEN THE JOB MARKET TURNS (and it WILL) remember to hide the ACORNS! Let those SQUIRRELS GO VERY HUNGRY.
Firstly, I am extremely sorry. I too would be very upset if this were to happen to me! However, it wasn't meant to be. Try and accept the fact that all though you thought this was your path, there is something else in store for you. With that said, keep your head up and be HAPPY you didn't get a position at this hospital. All these things seems like red flags to me. By the way, I don't know if it is a New York thing, but if you don't get accepted for a position they usually tell you why without hesitation. Don't get too consumed in WHY and try to move on. ALSO take a close look at your references to see if they really do have your best interest
Firstly, I am extremely sorry. I too would be very upset if this were to happen to me! However, it wasn't meant to be. Try and accept the fact that all though you thought this was your path, there is something else in store for you. With that said, keep your head up and be HAPPY you didn't get a position at this hospital. All these things seems like red flags to me. By the way, I don't know if it is a New York thing, but if you don't get accepted for a position they usually tell you why without hesitation. Don't get too consumed in WHY and try to move on. ALSO take a close look at your references to see if they really do have your best interest
Thank you so much! It's rough getting back into the hospital when you don't have much acute care, after being in public health for a year. I think I've applied to over 400 positions (seriously lol) Had some calls today, hopefully I'll find something soon. :)
If it was an internal candidate there is absolutely NO, as in NONE, or ZERO, reason the hiring manager should NOT be able to verbalized with actual ENGLISH LANGUAGE WORDS, gee, I'm sorry ReifRn, we got our wires crossed and HR had approved an INTERNAL CANDIDATE.
NO WE ARE NOT THE CIA, BUT ARE BEING VERY SECRET SQUIRREL, SO WE CANT SPEAK OF IT REQUIRED BS.
THIS IS WHY WHEN THE JOB MARKET TURNS (and it WILL) remember to hide the ACORNS! Let those SQUIRRELS GO VERY HUNGRY.
THAT "We CANT TELL YOU IS GARBAGE".
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I agree with you. Doesn't make much sense to me, like if it was a more qualified candidate, just let me know! Instead I feel left in the dark about what went wrong, but I'm over it. Wasn't meant to be and will hopefully lead me to something better.
There are companies that use "blind" recorded lines to check references on you. You hire them, give the necessary background info and one of their HR specialist does reference checks - for a position at xxxx - worth every penny.
Once you find the turd, well, you'll know what to do. IMHO I'd go 5:2 there's a big sneaky stinky in the reference bowl. Welcome the nursing!
I always get written letter of reference on my assignments/contracts and jobs. ALWAYS. Or written letters of RECOMMENDATION. ALWAYS. I carry these written letters of reference that I offer to pass on from direct managers and supervisors, directors - keeps communication issues low.
Most HR folks host ONLY do dates of hire and eligible for rehire.
People that get caught in negative opinions or give "unofficial helpful" reviews that cannot be supported by facts become and then go near slanderous have had issues.
Example: Her time management was poor, always slow, always tardy and often late. Seemed like the last to get her work done. Lots of patient complaints. Well folks if that person gets caught in that - there better be HR records that support that to a "T" - otherwise, que, a BIG PROBLEM.
Most organizations have stopped this practice as a kind of nonsense.
See if you got a turd reference, flush, scrub, and the let it go. So many opportunities out there yo waste energy on THAT!
Perhaps ask for actual letters of reference and recommendation (try and get cell contacts added -- people do move on) saying you are looking at a big relocation and this may make the process easier
Nothing to do with you or your credentials. They would have gave you the 'someone was a better fit' line. Sounds like the budget for that nursing position was diverted to another department or another purpose by higher management. It stinks to be treated this way but it's a warning how they value their employees.
Well folks if that person gets caught in that - there better be HR records that support that to a "T" - otherwise, que, a BIG PROBLEM.
klone, MSN, RN
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She didn't give references