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Higher Learning is very hard to understand

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Specializes in LTC, Education, Management, QAPI. Has 6 years experience.

As I read through many of these posts, I see how some are really knocking some schools because of "transferring". I then noticed that a lot are because the student received an AAS from a tech school. It's important that it is understood what the difference is between an AAS, AS, BSN, etc. when transferring. When going for your BSN, for instance, many classes at MCI do not transfer because it is an AAS, a degree designed to get you into the field with a little less general education credits. It's not "blasphemy" or "incredulous" that some classes don't transfer- you didnt take them! For instance in AAS, you may only take English 1, BIO 101, PSY 101, but for an AS you would take English 1 AND 2, Bio 101 AND 102, Psy 101 AND 102. I'm not saying either is better or worse, but please at least ask the questions and do some research before trying to put everything on blast.

I understand higher learning just fine, the OP - not so much.

I'm sure this is just me being slow but more detail is needed please?

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NurseGuyBri

Specializes in LTC, Education, Management, QAPI. Has 6 years experience.

Im not sure I follow what the first responder is asking for in "more info needed"- My point is that I saw a lot of people putting schools on blast without truly understanding how the degree system works. I thought the post was quite clear - I'm not sure what more info you need as this was not a question, rather a topic. An AAS is not the same as an ADS, therefore its more difficult when transferring to a BSc program.

Stephalump

Specializes in Forensic Psych. Has 2 years experience.

Well then...

Thanks for sharing!

NurseGuyBri

Specializes in LTC, Education, Management, QAPI. Has 6 years experience.

Lol thanks! I thought it was unfair to bash every school without attending it. There is enough consumer information out there to make an informed decision, so the burden lies on us to do the research :) School is hard, as every nurse knows... no matter where you go..

As I read through many of these posts, I see how some are really knocking some schools because of "transferring". I then noticed that a lot are because the student received an AAS from a tech school. It's important that it is understood what the difference is between an AAS, AS, BSN, etc. when transferring. When going for your BSN, for instance, many classes at MCI do not transfer because it is an AAS, a degree designed to get you into the field with a little less general education credits. It's not "blasphemy" or "incredulous" that some classes don't transfer- you didnt take them! For instance in AAS, you may only take English 1, BIO 101, PSY 101, but for an AS you would take English 1 AND 2, Bio 101 AND 102, Psy 101 AND 102. I'm not saying either is better or worse, but please at least ask the questions and do some research before trying to put everything on blast.

The only thing that ticks me off is a school like mine that doesn't make it clear that they offer two degrees. The AAS degree is a degree with very few prerequisites. I was already in the first semester of the nursing program when the one of the higher ups came in and told us about the AS degree they offer. I could have completed a lot more prerequisites for this degree if I had known that it was offered. Its a real bummer if you transfer to the university because they make you start over on prerequisites if they are not contained in an AS degree. With the AS degree you can transfer in as a junior and continue as if you had attended the first two years at university.

I'm just curious if this is how it works everywhere? I know this is the situation here in Oklahoma.

Stephalump

Specializes in Forensic Psych. Has 2 years experience.

Not in Texas. If you take a class at one schoolmand there is a comparable class at another college, they have to give you credit. Very strange that it doesn't work that way everywhere....

ArrowRN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Med Surg, Vascular, E.N.T. Has 3 years experience.

Basically to transfer to a BSN (Bachelor of Science in Nursing )program as a junior you need to do your prereqs by completing them within an AA (Associate of Arts) degree which is a transfer degree. I got no idea what an AAS is but you wont be able to transfer with that.

You have 2 options:

1. Stay at the Community/State College and enroll in pre-nursing AA degree ensuring you do all the prereqs for the BSN program then transfer to that BSN program as a junior.

2. Do you Prereqs for the ASN (Associate of Science in Nursing, some schools call it ADN) apply to the nursing ASN program at the state/community college, take the NCLEX become an RN then transfer to University to do your RN to BSN program.

The reason why I was confused as it is not like this in every state. We don't have diploma nurses and our associate credits transfer 100% to BSN schools in the state. The only thing I'll be missing out of my prereqs for my BSN at graduation will be a history and statistics class.

It's pretty much the same with every local program. In order to apply you must take just about every class listed in the first post.

I didn't think you could get an RN from a tech school? I suppose it's different in every state?

HouTx, BSN, MSN, EdD

Specializes in Critical Care, Education. Has 35 years experience.

Not in Texas. If you take a class at one schoolmand there is a comparable class at another college, they have to give you credit. Very strange that it doesn't work that way everywhere....

That is an inaccurate statement. Many graduates of commercial and tech schools have found out the hard way.

It is entirely up to the receiving school as to whether they will accept classes from another school. However, most nursing programs in Tx are members of educational consortiums - whereby schools have formal agreements to accept credits from other members of the consortium. This does not mean that they will automatically accept credit from schools that are not part of the agreement.

HM-8404, BSN, RN

Specializes in Trauma. Has 8 years experience.

In my state all "2" yr RN degrees are AAS. To go from AAS-RN to BSN you must take a few more core classes such as ENG 102, a LIT class, Chem class, History, Statistics, and a higher level math class. All core classes combined, ADN and BSN add up to the same classes as those that go straight BSN program. Except Nutrition is not required for ADN bridge students.

Stephalump

Specializes in Forensic Psych. Has 2 years experience.

That is an inaccurate statement. Many graduates of commercial and tech schools have found out the hard way.

It is entirely up to the receiving school as to whether they will accept classes from another school. However, most nursing programs in Tx are members of educational consortiums - whereby schools have formal agreements to accept credits from other members of the consortium. This does not mean that they will automatically accept credit from schools that are not part of the agreement.

Thanks! I had a wonky editing thing where I was trying to say "public schools," but I guess even with public schools it's an option to be part of the agreement? And now that I think about it went to a private university and they also used the TCCN system.

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Here in Florida, if you get a degree or take classes at a state public school, such as a community college or university... Then the classes transfer to a public state school or university. BUT if you take classes at a for-profit college, tech school, or private college/university, then the public programs can pick and choose which, if any, classes they want to give you credit for. ALSO, if you have credits or degrees from another state, they also can choose which classes they give you credit for.

Anytime, a person is deciding where to take classes it is imperative that they research how the system works. Often people are surprised to find out that they have to retake classes because they do not transfer. It is a sad reality that could be easily avoided.

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akulahawkRN, ADN, RN, EMT-P

Specializes in Emergency Department. Has 6 years experience.

Here in California, something I've found is that not all public programs are required to accept classes from other programs: public or private. Each institution determines what classes at another institution are equivalent to their own. One course that I took at another institution was "Nutrition and the Athlete" which is essentially General Nutrition modified for human performance, a.k.a. athletics. The nursing program that I am in now does not recognize directly that class as being equivalent to General Nutrition. I had to petition the program and school to allow that course to be counted as an equivalent to their own General Nutrition course. While waiting to be accepted to the school, I ultimately decided to take General Nutrition at the campus itself and did extremely well because I had the knowledge from before, that Nutrition and the Athlete class.

What was extremely helpful is that the program/school that I attend does have a matrix for all of the schools in the area that may have already determined have equivalent courses to what they already offer. What made things rather interesting is that the anatomy and physiology course that I took a few years ago has undergone several changes over the years, specifically, the class got renumbered several times. I had to show the steps for each renumbering process that the course went through from one I took it through a numbering system that they had recognized as being equivalent to their own.

The general point of all this is that if you are planning on transferring from one school or institution to another, contact the other institution that you are planning on transferring to so that you can determine what courses will NOT be accepted by that institution. Also, if you earn a degree, like an Associates Degree, that is not an "Applied" degree, usually a higher education institution will accept that as being equivalent to having completed some portion of their educational requirements, usually the first two years, so that you may begin your coursework as a Junior, instead of a Sophomore with a whole bunch of units.

I have a Bachelors degree already, that will make my transition to BSN extremely easy once I finish my ADN program. That however also makes getting financial aid difficult because I already have that Bachelors degree…

NurseGuyBri

Specializes in LTC, Education, Management, QAPI. Has 6 years experience.

It shouldn't be different- In general, there are 4 ways to get RN- Diploma, AASN, ADN, and BSN. Tech schools can provide Diploma or AASN programs, usually. Comm Colleges ADN's, and Universitys BSN's. All depends.

The majority of private/vocational schools in my area usually include in their fine print the following statement: "Credits earned are unlikely to transfer." It depends on how well people do their research...

NurseGuyBri

Specializes in LTC, Education, Management, QAPI. Has 6 years experience.

Exactly, nguy- because the tech schools generally award an AAS- Associates in APPLIED Science, which is designed, in ALL FIELDS, to enter directly into the workforce instead of transferring. It's not just nursing. For instance, at a community college- If I was given an Associates in Applied Science for Social Science, the goal would be to enter the workforce and not transfer. Since I received an AS- Associate of Science, then it is much more readily transferred. I'm *SO* happy that you said the piece about research. Although the schools should be more up-front, I am a 100% believer in CONSUMER BURDEN- it's the person going to school/ asking for information that needs to do the research. Too many people rely on others for their information instead of asking themselves.