Here's what AAs really think of CRNAs

Specialties CRNA

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And this comes from the PRESIDENT of the American Society of Anesthesiologist Assistants

Again, assertions that AAs and CRNAs function at the same level -absolutely misleading.

And, what's with "anesthesia nurse"? If it sounds condescending in print, can you imagine how it would sound out of his mouth? What arrogance.

At least there is a phone number listed at the end of the article. Let's call Rob and let him know what we think of his little article!

Read carefully, SRNAs, this is a grim foreboding...

Licensed anesthesiologist assistants help access to medical care

By Rob Wagner

MY VIEW

Re: "Don't weaken the standards for anesthesia providers" (My View, April 11).

Maybe you or someone you know has had surgery delayed. Perhaps hospitals in your

area have closed operating rooms as they have in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa and

elsewhere in Florida.

One reason for growing problems of this nature for patients is a shortage of

anesthesia providers. These are the assistants who help

physician-anesthesiologists perform the critical task of putting you to sleep

before surgery.

There is a common-sense solution rapidly making progress in the Florida

Legislature and around the country, which is to license anesthesiologist

assistants (called AAs). Key legislative action is expected today in Florida's

House Health Care Committee on HB 1381/SB 2332 and it is important that

lawmakers support it.

They need to be assured that this legislation will not weaken standards because

AAs are highly trained and perform the same function as anesthesia nurses. AAs

like myself serve patients in 16 states and have impeccable safety records. AAs

have worked with a high level of safety for 30 years in Georgia and Ohio.

AAs are required to have three times the hands-on, clinical training than are

most anesthesia nurses who currently assist anesthesiologists. Before we are

allowed to enter AA school, we must take the same courses physicians take as

pre-med students. Nurses do not do that. In fact, as the chief anesthetist at

St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta, I am in charge of both AAs and anesthesia

nurses.

If you are "going under," who would you rather have assisting the

anesthesiologist; someone trained to work directly with him or her, or a nurse?

We enjoy our professional relationships with our nursing colleagues. Yet nursing

organizations in Florida continue to misinform, even scare the public, calling

our profession "new" and "experimental."

Try telling that to the prestigious Emory University in Atlanta or Case Western

in Cleveland, which have been training AAs for more than three decades. Or try

to tell that to boards of medicine that oversee AAs in the states in which we

practice and whose members readily vouch for our safety record.

Try telling that to Medicare, the nation's largest health insurer, which

reimburses AAs and anesthesia nurses at the same rate. This means our skill

levels are viewed equally. And tell the insurance companies. They charge no

difference in fees between anesthesia nurses and AAs,

meaning our safety records are equal. Try telling that to the Florida Medical

Association, American Medical Association and American Society of

Anesthesiologists, whose members resoundingly support our working in Florida. In

the era of malpractice crisis, doctors are certainly not going to support

"experimental" health care providers.

Why, then, would the anesthesia nurses be opposed to this? In a word, money.

Because of nurse shortages, their salaries are artificially high, up to $150,000

in Florida. If you made that kind of living, wouldn't you try to keep the

competition out?

This nursing shortage is well documented on the Web sites of Florida schools

that train anesthesia nurses, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,

and yes, even on the anesthesia nurses' own Web site, http://www.aana.org, where the

shortage is called "serious" and "acute."

To help relieve the problem, two institutions, the University of Florida and

Nova Southeastern, are ready to open special schools for anesthesiologist

assistants in Florida. Would those schools offer programs if they didn't think

AAs are in great demand? Would they risk their reputations on an "experimental"

profession? Of course not.

One AA can mean five more patients per day will get their surgery. That's 1,200

patients per year treated with the help of only one AA. If you are or know one

of those patients, I'm sure you would be grateful to the Florida Legislature for

passing this common-sense legislation.

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Rob Wagner is chief anesthetist at St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta and

president of the American Academy of Anesthesiologist Assistants, PO Box 13978

Tallahassee, FL 32317 Phone: 656-8848.

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

Somebody......please do all us a favor and kill this tread - its becoming embarrassing to know that its available to the public - just for some of there spelling alone. THEIR! I said it.

You could spend two years in school to be an AA or just stay at a holiday inn express.

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
You can't pull that crap the day of surgery.

Their answer to "you'll have a problem" - not having surgery. Take it or leave it.

We have two ways of handling this: some docs will just tell them that's the way we do it here - this is what your surgeon wants because of the close teamwork, etc. If the patient still balks, they get the least experienced baby in the department, or the department weirdo who is only hanging on my his fingernails anyway. I love introducing the little baby docs. to the patient and then tell pt. - "Don't worry, he/she is allowed to drive home after dark."

As a nursing student I had the opportunity to observe the surgery dept. At the first surgery there was a CRNA. She was very attentive to the patient and even explained to me what she was doing.:wink2: During the second surgery there was an MDA. As the surgery progressed I noticed his head bobbing. As I got closer... I saw that he was sleeeeeping. When I alerted the surgery nurse who was in charge of me. She said "yes, he's catching a few zzzzzz's. WOW!!!! I was sooo nervous, but appearantly I was the only one.....cause no one else seemed to care.

After the surgery the patient (who was getting an av fistula) told the MDA that he'd had one before and that this time he was in a lot of pain during the procedure so what happened. The MDA politely blamed the surgeon and said he didn't give him enough local anesthetic.

Call me crazzzy but I'd rather have a CRNA, AA, CNA, MBA (LOL) than a sleeping MDA anyday. Question---do they normally dose off during surgery or is this an isolated incident. It was my first time in surgery so I really don't know.

Athlein,

get a clue.

There are only a few AA schools.

and as far as CRNA's most Mostly all hospitals in the world and especially the US will not use them.

Read the quals for the entrance to CRNA schools.

Oh and your MD analogy,

The lowest grad from any school is still an MD.

Numbers do not MAKE the provider.

LAst but not least You must be an ICU nurse for a minimum of 1-2 years and not all ICU's qualify. No one gets in without the experience 1st.

Do y'all realize you're posting on a thread that went on for years, thankfully went dead for 6 months, and you are now replying to posts that may have been made YEARS ago?

The above post is a perfect example - Athlein made the OP 3 years ago, and hasn't made any posts in over a year.

36 pages and hundreds of posts - do you really think it's possible that ANYTHING new could be brought to this discussion?

I'm an AA - and even I want the thread to close!!

Are AA's trained according to the medical model?

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