Here's what AAs really think of CRNAs

Specialties CRNA

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And this comes from the PRESIDENT of the American Society of Anesthesiologist Assistants

Again, assertions that AAs and CRNAs function at the same level -absolutely misleading.

And, what's with "anesthesia nurse"? If it sounds condescending in print, can you imagine how it would sound out of his mouth? What arrogance.

At least there is a phone number listed at the end of the article. Let's call Rob and let him know what we think of his little article!

Read carefully, SRNAs, this is a grim foreboding...

Licensed anesthesiologist assistants help access to medical care

By Rob Wagner

MY VIEW

Re: "Don't weaken the standards for anesthesia providers" (My View, April 11).

Maybe you or someone you know has had surgery delayed. Perhaps hospitals in your

area have closed operating rooms as they have in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa and

elsewhere in Florida.

One reason for growing problems of this nature for patients is a shortage of

anesthesia providers. These are the assistants who help

physician-anesthesiologists perform the critical task of putting you to sleep

before surgery.

There is a common-sense solution rapidly making progress in the Florida

Legislature and around the country, which is to license anesthesiologist

assistants (called AAs). Key legislative action is expected today in Florida's

House Health Care Committee on HB 1381/SB 2332 and it is important that

lawmakers support it.

They need to be assured that this legislation will not weaken standards because

AAs are highly trained and perform the same function as anesthesia nurses. AAs

like myself serve patients in 16 states and have impeccable safety records. AAs

have worked with a high level of safety for 30 years in Georgia and Ohio.

AAs are required to have three times the hands-on, clinical training than are

most anesthesia nurses who currently assist anesthesiologists. Before we are

allowed to enter AA school, we must take the same courses physicians take as

pre-med students. Nurses do not do that. In fact, as the chief anesthetist at

St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta, I am in charge of both AAs and anesthesia

nurses.

If you are "going under," who would you rather have assisting the

anesthesiologist; someone trained to work directly with him or her, or a nurse?

We enjoy our professional relationships with our nursing colleagues. Yet nursing

organizations in Florida continue to misinform, even scare the public, calling

our profession "new" and "experimental."

Try telling that to the prestigious Emory University in Atlanta or Case Western

in Cleveland, which have been training AAs for more than three decades. Or try

to tell that to boards of medicine that oversee AAs in the states in which we

practice and whose members readily vouch for our safety record.

Try telling that to Medicare, the nation's largest health insurer, which

reimburses AAs and anesthesia nurses at the same rate. This means our skill

levels are viewed equally. And tell the insurance companies. They charge no

difference in fees between anesthesia nurses and AAs,

meaning our safety records are equal. Try telling that to the Florida Medical

Association, American Medical Association and American Society of

Anesthesiologists, whose members resoundingly support our working in Florida. In

the era of malpractice crisis, doctors are certainly not going to support

"experimental" health care providers.

Why, then, would the anesthesia nurses be opposed to this? In a word, money.

Because of nurse shortages, their salaries are artificially high, up to $150,000

in Florida. If you made that kind of living, wouldn't you try to keep the

competition out?

This nursing shortage is well documented on the Web sites of Florida schools

that train anesthesia nurses, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,

and yes, even on the anesthesia nurses' own Web site, http://www.aana.org, where the

shortage is called "serious" and "acute."

To help relieve the problem, two institutions, the University of Florida and

Nova Southeastern, are ready to open special schools for anesthesiologist

assistants in Florida. Would those schools offer programs if they didn't think

AAs are in great demand? Would they risk their reputations on an "experimental"

profession? Of course not.

One AA can mean five more patients per day will get their surgery. That's 1,200

patients per year treated with the help of only one AA. If you are or know one

of those patients, I'm sure you would be grateful to the Florida Legislature for

passing this common-sense legislation.

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Rob Wagner is chief anesthetist at St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta and

president of the American Academy of Anesthesiologist Assistants, PO Box 13978

Tallahassee, FL 32317 Phone: 656-8848.

Specializes in er/icu/neuro/trauma/pacu.

popped into this thread really late, so if its been mentioned forgive me.

AA is to CRNA as PA is to ARNP--different modalities in training, essentially same level of practice. Good and bad found in every provider level.

Only way AA affects CRNA jobs/pay is supply and demand, doc preference.

BTW, my DH is a PA, chose this over ARNP after several agonizing months of comparing educational models.(20+ yr RN)

Specializes in ER, critical care.

AA is to CRNA as PA is to ARNP--different modalities in training, essentially same level of practice. Good and bad found in every provider level.

I was thinking the same thing. This is the same PA vs. NP argument, anesthesia style.

This has been informative. I didn't even know there was such a thing as AA until I read this thread. How out of touch am I? Sorry.

Having participated in the argument on the NP board, and not really having anesthesia expertise let me just say.... I usually request the CRNA as do my parents and siblings. We do this for ourselves and our children. What I want is someone who will stay at the head of my bed from beginning to end and make sure I stay asleep until it is time to wake up. A little Versed on the way to the OR isn't a bad idea either as the whole idea of surgery sends me into a tailspin.

So, I prefer a CRNA. But then my PCP is a FNP.... and so am I. I am all about supporting advanced nursing practice no matter the specialty.

Good luck to all. When one of us succeeds, we all succeed.

I have a question. I am in CRNA school right now. I know there is a heated debate over the legilation of AA's here in this state, NC. What I would like to know is how do you replace the countless hours of monitoring the patient and the family at the bedside with an AA? I guess most CRNA's feel like there would be a missing link there with patient care, even though you have more medical school classes. We get most of out critical care knowledge from experience at the bedside, and research rather than a few medical books. How does this compare to the AA's experience prior to getting into into thier AA school to obtain their degrees?

I believe if the participants of this forum will do a little valid research, not speculation . You will find that AA and CRNA are NOT the same skill/practice level.

In other words, you do not have a valid answer to explain how this deficit in patient care would be compensated by the AA?

Specializes in ECMO.
I believe if the participants of this forum will do a little valid research, not speculation . You will find that AA and CRNA are NOT the same skill/practice level.

why do a lot of groups which hire both AAs and CRNAs compensate them the same and give them the same scope of practice?

why do a lot of groups which hire both AAs and CRNAs compensate them the same and give them the same scope of practice?
Why wouldn't they? In a group practice, what do you think you can do that I can't?
Specializes in ECMO.
Why wouldn't they? In a group practice, what do you think you can do that I can't?

it was a semi-sarcastic remark

im a student. and sorry vato i dont give a damn if other vatos dont make squat, thats there problem. "in this country social status is achieved, not ascribed"

and i dont oppose AAs or CRNAs. i am looking forward to one of these professions in the near future. i find them equal, with CRNA coming out a bit n top because of no restrictions to practice in any of 50 states.

the reason i said what i said, is because ive looked at gaswork.com and at many anesthesia groups websites and many higher both anesthetists and pay the same for equal experience.

Ask the likes of Paris Hilton or GW about achieving social status. I am sure theirs is ascribed, but that's another topic.

For a second I thought you were complaining about the equal status of AAs vs. CRNAs. As you noticed, they are equal in regards to salary and how they function within the anesthesia care team. Choose the one you like best and good luck.

Specializes in ECMO.
Ask the likes of Paris Hilton or GW about achieving social status. I am sure theirs is ascribed, but that's another topic.

For a second I thought you were complaining about the equal status of AAs vs. CRNAs. As you noticed, they are equal in regards to salary and how they function within the anesthesia care team. Choose the one you like best and good luck.

lol paris hilton is subhuman. what an idiot. i cant believe how all these stupid people fall into so much money. what a waste.

:deadhorse

We are still beating this one?!

Sprout :nurse:

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