Help Sign A Petition To Warn Students About Chiropractic Quackery

Dave ARNP · Jan 31, 2004

Hum... feeling a little shafted that you didn't get in to Chiro school?

:rolleyes:

Chiro care is an ART. And it DOES WORK.

Dave

cdmguy · Jan 31, 2004

>Hum... feeling a little shafted that you didn't get in to Chiro school?

Nobody doesn't get into chiro school unless you don't have a pulse or have a criminal record.

>Chiro care is an ART. And it DOES WORK.

Manipulation works. Correcting subluxations is nonsense.

VickyRN, MSN, DNP, RN · Jan 31, 2004

???What in the world???

Chiropracty is a respected medical discipline and is certainly NOT quackery.

Chiropractic is a profession which specialises in the diagnosis, treatment and overall management of conditions which are due to mechanical dysfunction of the joints and their effects on the nervous system. The training of Chiropractors takes five years during which time medical subjects are studied to the level of GP's and certain subjects (neurology, orthopaedics, radiology) to levels approaching consultants. After medicine and dentistry it is the third largest primary health care profession in the western world.

http://www.stears.clara.net/index2.html

Dave ARNP · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by cdmguy
>Hum... feeling a little shafted that you didn't get in to Chiro school?

Nobody doesn't get into chiro school unless you don't have a pulse or have a criminal record.

So obviously you're a flatliner?

Dave :rolleyes:

cdmguy · Jan 31, 2004

There are many unscientific practices in chiropractic Vicky. For a good summary check out http://www.chirobase.org.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by MD Terminator
So obviously you're a flatliner?

Dave

:roll :roll

LisaRN2B · Jan 31, 2004

I have had a D.O and a Chiropractor do adjustments and manipulations...neither one made me any "better" and the Chiro outright hurt me, geez he was rough!!! So, I guess it doesn't help everyone. I have had family members swear by them and others that weren't helped.

If I had felt any relief I may think differently, but it did make me wonder whether this "science" was quackery. Just being honest, and these are just my experiences.

cdmguy · Jan 31, 2004

Lisa,

I had the same experience. A chiropractor initially told me the quackery that chiropractic adjustments could help my astma. I was dissappointed with the medical approach which couldn't cure it and gave it a try. That DC couldn't help so he referred me to another one who was closer to my home so I could be treated more frequently. Not only did the second one not help but she ran up a large bill experimenting on me. When I quit care she tearfully told me that I had hurt her feelings and that if I did not follow through on attending the chiropractic school she suggested she would hold me responsible to pay the balance. Otherwise she would forgive it. I made the mistake of responding to this manipulation and attended the school, Life University, which recently lost accreditation because it refuses to teach the differential diagnosis course required by accreditation, instead substituting a health insurance fraud system where everyone is diagnosed as having subluxations no matter what their complaint is.

Returning to the asthma, years of treatment had no effect and chiropractors were not even able to show their manipulations had realigned my vertebra. I now know that this is impossible and that chiropractic has been proven ineffective against asthma in a large controlled clinical trial (Lancet).

So please sign the petition to keep other students from falling for this. http://www.petitiononline.com/ajb2/petition.html And tell others.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jan 31, 2004

Your latest post shows that this is a personal issue based on care by 2 chiroprators and training issues at the Life University pprogram. The same thing could have happened to anyone with any type of healthcare professional these days.

Instead of blaming the whole profession, you should be addressing the real issue: manipulation of patients for financial gain and fraud concerns to the state board that regulates such practice. If citizens DON't report concerns, how are the regulators ever know about problems and able to take corrective action??

In NJ:

State Board of Chiropractic Examiners

This board licenses and regulates chiropractors in New Jersey. Inquiries or complaints can be forwarded to Mr. Kevin Earle, Executive Director, Board of Chiropractic Examiners, PO Box 45004, Newark, NJ 07101, (973) 504-6395 http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/medical/chiropractic.htm

Quick check of website shows that Life University on provisional status:

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/chiro/lifeapproval.pdf

so looks like regulators are addressing this programs problems.

Loribabble · Jan 31, 2004

While I don't agree (or just don't get it) -that it is a cure-all for anything from gall bladders to asthma, it did relieve me of my migraines.

I got to the point that I could not drive at night at all because I was so sensitive to the lights - to the point of being blinded.

I am still photophobic especially on really dark roads and on-coming cars, but I can see, and haven't had a migraine in years either...

cdmguy · Jan 31, 2004

Karen:

>Your latest post shows that this is a personal issue based on care by 2 chiroprators and training issues at the Life University pprogram.

This isn't true. Just because I had a bad personal experience doesn't make my criticisms invalid. You are jumping to conclusions. Judge the issue on the evidence not by the personal life of who is promoting it.

>The same thing could have happened to anyone with any type of healthcare professional these days.

Not really because in chiropractic students are taught that the quackery is legitimate. This is the key issue.

>Instead of blaming the whole profession, you should be addressing the real issue: manipulation of patients for financial gain and fraud concerns to the state board that regulates such practice.

It is impossible because the state laws actually legitimize the quackery by defining chiropractic practice around it. Look up the definitions of chiropractic in most states, all say it is to remove nerve interference by realigning vertebra. Further, the boards are run by practicing chiropractors and are notorious for protecting their own.

>If citizens DON't report concerns, how are the regulators ever know about problems and able to take corrective action??

While I agree that consumers need to file board complaints, the misinformation that my petition concerns needs to be stopped by the Dept of Labor. No chiropractic board has the power to do this.