Health Provisions Slipped into Stimulus Package

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I wonder what percent CEO bonuses and payroll takes up under our for profit health care system? WE NEED TO TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF HEALTHCARE!!!!

But then no one will want to innovate!! :rolleyes:

Heh. It hasn't been a problem anywhere else in the world. Unless the US is uniquely incapable of doing things every other country has done, then it would work here too.

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Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.

As of yet, you have not provided any evidence for any of these evocative claims.

Is it asking too much to substantiate these kinds of bold claims?

You are making the claim/statement. The burden of proof is on you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

What? I need to prove the "bold and evocative claim" that a cartoon does not equal a photograph? You're kidding, right!

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What? I need to prove the "bold and evocative claim" that a cartoon does not equal a photograph? You're kidding, right!

Your statement that the offices would look the same implied that medicaid/care would say 'no' just as much as a private insurer. That's a fairly bold claim. If that's not what you meant, I apologize.

The original point stands however. In many of these threads you express great fear and trepidation over any government involvement in health care, and you have made a few unsubstantiated claims.

Making claims about what would theoretically happen in the future, strikes me as a bit disingenuous. As I and many others have said, we already have a working model for a universal system of coverage. (every single other industrialized nation, who, by the way, also manage to live longer than us and enjoy many better qualities of life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html )

I ask again...where do you get the idea that a government run health care system would be so disastrous when every single other industrialized country has managed it except for us? I am honestly curious where this mindset comes from, because even most of the conservatives I meet and speak with now days admit our system is horribly broken, and it's rare for me to get to converse with someone who legitimately thinks the market can solve this problem on its own.

I, like you, do not really trust the people running the show. However, my not trusting them doesn't mean the police system doesn't work. It doesn't mean that unemployment benefits don't still get paid. It doesn't mean our military isn't great. So on and so forth. I don't need to implicitly trust politicians (YEAH RIGHT!!) to believe this system could work, as it does in most other countries. People are crappy and corrupt everywhere. To me, that's not an excuse to drag our feet when millions of our citizens are suffering and dying all in the name of ideology and politics.

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Really we need to build a health care system that works for ALL of us.

A libertarian friend of mine claims that the US will have a UHC model within 10 years because business will demand it.

Awmom is dead on accurate. We are spending 1 dollar in 4 on CEO compensaton and profit. This is at least 350 BN/year. An unlegislated tax on every businessman and worker in America.

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The KEY is "academic" .....a liberal slant of society. You may not like conservatives, but we can present an equal number of "charts" to dispute everything you said.

My point all along has been that we can and must do better with our health care finance system. We spend way too much on administraton and not nearly enough on prevention and care.

One of the reasons to use academic sources is to study a problem and develop approaches based on "what works."

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We have MANY threads on universal healthcare.

THIS is the first post of THIS thread.

Politicians to decide what treatment doctors can provide based on $$$

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

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H,

Sorry if I drifted the thread. I was responding to some of the other issues raised. The rationing distortion about UHC was rased repeatedly and my wonky self responded to the allegations....

HM2...

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the stimulus bill will destroy american health care

ridiculous, right?. but that has not stopped the likes of rush limbaugh, senator coburn, a former lt. governor of new york and miscellaneous right wing radio talk show hosts and fox news from making some outrageous charges about two relatively benign and wonky features of the stimulus bill:

1) funding for modernization of health care information and

2) funding to do research into what medical treatments work and what do not....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-bergthold/the-stimulus-bill-will-de_b_166584.html

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Your statement that the offices would look the same implied that medicaid/care would say 'no' just as much as a private insurer. That's a fairly bold claim. If that's not what you meant, I apologize.

I accept your apology.

My comment referred to the bureaucracy that exists in government health care plans to the same or greater extent that it exists in private insurance. If you don't believe me, just help your parents wade thru their Medicare statements and try to reach a live person by phone, mail or e-mail to assist you. I'm still handling claims for a relative who died 2 years ago. I was not discussing approvals or denials and have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

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Electronic health records save lives and dollars..

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I accept your apology.

Sorry! I accidentally responded. This thread is NOT about healthcare plans.

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