Was the Supreme Court right to rule that the Affordable Care Act violated the religio
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No - The ruling allows bosses to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. Besides, the Constitution grants religious freedom to individuals, not corporations.
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Yes - The religious beliefs of company owners take precedence over their employees' right to have access to birth control.
Should religious family-owned companies be required to cover contraceptives under their insurance plans? The high court says no.
I'm curious how you nurses feel about this? Please take a second to vote in our quick poll.
This is a highly political topic, I'd rather not turn this into a hot argumentative subject, so please keep your comments civil :) But please feel free to comment. Thanks
In a 5-4 decision Monday, the Supreme Court allowed a key exemption to the health law's contraception coverage requirements when it ruled that closely held for-profit businesses could assert a religious objection to the Obama administration's regulations. What does it mean? Here are some questions and answers about the case.What did the court's ruling do?
The court's majority said that the for-profit companies that filed suit-Hobby Lobby Stores, a nationwide chain of 500 arts and crafts stores, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, a maker of custom cabinets-didn't have to offer female employeesall Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptivesas part of a package of preventive services that must be covered without copays or deductibles under the law. The companies had argued that several types of contraceptivesviolate their owners' religious beliefs. The ruling also covers a Hobby Lobby subsidiary, the Mardel Christian bookstores.
When looking for a job, I do NOT intend to investigate the foreign entities upon which my prospective employer relies. I expect any successful company to operate on a free-trade basis.
What country do you suggest Hobby Lobby buy from? If you want them to double their prices, let them trade with France or Bulgaria. If you want to see them cut the pay of all their employees, perhaps they should buy from South Africa. Hobby Lobby pays employees almost twice what some of its competators do, and also employs disabled people that might have trouble finding a job elsewhere. They could not stay in business at all, if they bought mostly from the United States.
I'm content to let the goverment straighten out international trade agreements...that's too complicated for me. And I don't feel personally responsible for the opression of the Chinese. But I don't want the GOVERNMENT dictating my health care on the basis of STATISTICS and ACTUARIAL findings. I've seen first hand some of the neglect and tragic results of single-payer health care. I'd rather decide with my own physician what tests and treatments would be best for me. I think we will come to regret the new health care plan.
But I don't want the GOVERNMENT dictating my health care on the basis of STATISTICS and ACTUARIAL findings. I've seen first hand some of the neglect and tragic results of single-payer health care. I'd rather decide with my own physician what tests and treatments would be best for me. I think we will come to regret the new health care plan.
Don't you mean you'd rather decide with your own physician and your employer's religious leaders what tests and treatments would be best for you?
When looking for a job, I do NOT intend to investigate the foreign entities upon which my prospective employer relies. I expect any successful company to operate on a free-trade basis.
What country do you suggest Hobby Lobby buy from? If you want them to double their prices, let them trade with France or Bulgaria. If you want to see them cut the pay of all their employees, perhaps they should buy from South Africa. Hobby Lobby pays employees almost twice what some of its competators do, and also employs disabled people that might have trouble finding a job elsewhere. They could not stay in business at all, if they bought mostly from the United States.
I'm content to let the goverment straighten out international trade agreements...that's too complicated for me. And I don't feel personally responsible for the opression of the Chinese. But I don't want the GOVERNMENT dictating my health care on the basis of STATISTICS and ACTUARIAL findings. I've seen first hand some of the neglect and tragic results of single-payer health care. I'd rather decide with my own physician what tests and treatments would be best for me. I think we will come to regret the new health care plan.
Hmmm, making a big fuss about your moral and religious values.... untill it begins to actually affect your bottom line..... I think you unwittingly summarized the true nature of this whole thing right there....
No, wooh, I meant what I said, My doctor and me. And if I worked for Hobby Lobby I would have read what their policy covers. I'd buy my own IUD (if that's what I wanted). It's not that big a deal.
Brandon,
When did I make "a big deal" of of my religous beliefs. I don't think I even mentioned what my religious beliefs were.
I do have some pretty strong beliefs about business, though, and free market economy.
No, wooh, I meant what I said, My doctor and me. And if I worked for Hobby Lobby I would have read what their policy covers. I'd buy my own IUD (if that's what I wanted). It's not that big a deal.
You can likely AFFORD to buy your own IUD (as you are a nurse). Most people making $12/hour cannot afford to purchase a several hundred dollar *anything*. Additionally, I would have to imagine few of these employees are full time (as most retailers don't hire f/t line employees), so who knows what their actual monthly income is, let alone in relation to their monthly expenses. Even at full time, $12/hour, before taxes, brings in $1920/month. Take out rent, food, car, gas, insurance, and whatever other life expenses, and a $700 implant is far out of reach.
This person, unless they have 2+ dependents, also likely does not qualify for state insurance or other assistance, so they are on their own.
... But I don't want the GOVERNMENT dictating my health care on the basis of STATISTICS and ACTUARIAL findings. I've seen first hand some of the neglect and tragic results of single-payer health care. I'd rather decide with my own physician what tests and treatments would be best for me. I think we will come to regret the new health care plan.
I'm confused as to how you think the government is dictating the tests and treatment you receive, as well as how this relates to the Hobby Lobby case.
No, wooh, I meant what I said, My doctor and me. And if I worked for Hobby Lobby I would have read what their policy covers. I'd buy my own IUD (if that's what I wanted). It's not that big a deal.
Brandon,
When did I make "a big deal" of of my religous beliefs. I don't think I even mentioned what my religious beliefs were.
I do have some pretty strong beliefs about business, though, and free market economy.
I never said YOU were making a big fuss over your religious beliefs. Hobby Lobby certainly is, though. Its the cherry-picking of "standing up" for your beliefs only when it doesn't affect profits that strikes many as ironic and/or disingenuous.
I believe he is referring to HLs convenient blindness to their suppliers and investments.
No, wooh, I meant what I said, My doctor and me. And if I worked for Hobby Lobby I would have read what their policy covers. I'd buy my own IUD (if that's what I wanted). It's not that big a deal.
Brandon,
When did I make "a big deal" of of my religous beliefs. I don't think I even mentioned what my religious beliefs were.
I do have some pretty strong beliefs about business, though, and free market economy.
And as to defending Hobby Lobby's business with China under the guise of free trade.... isn't HL interfering with the free exchange of services by stepping in between its employees and their insurance company?
So many people seem to think HL is a provider of healthcare or of health insurance. They are not. Physicians and insurance companies are the providers of those services. My health insurance is just another form of compensation I recieve in exchange for my labor. Same as monetary compensation.
And physicians and health insurance companies tend NOT to deny certain health care treatments based on their personal religious beliefs. Know why? Its not because doctors and the owners of insurance companies lack personal beliefs of their own. Its because they know it is unprofessional to foist those beliefs on others.
Which is exactly what HL is doing, isn't it? If Mrs. Hobby-Lobby thinks its morally wrong to have an IUD implanted, well, no one's forcing her. But what bussiness is it of hers or the HL family if one of their employees wants one? They are not paying for it, contrary to what so many people seem to be implying.
And as to defending Hobby Lobby's business with China under the guise of free trade.... isn't HL interfering with the free exchange of services by stepping in between its employees and their insurance company?
So many people seem to think HL is a provider of healthcare or of health insurance. They are not. Physicians and insurance companies are the providers of those services. My health insurance is just another form of compensation I recieve in exchange for my labor. Same as monetary compensation.
And physicians and health insurance companies tend NOT to deny certain health care treatments based on their personal religious beliefs. Know why? Its not because doctors and the owners of insurance companies lack personal beliefs of their own. Its because they know it is unprofessional to foist those beliefs on others.
Which is exactly what HL is doing, isn't it? If Mrs. Hobby-Lobby thinks its morally wrong to have an IUD implanted, well, no one's forcing her. But what bussiness is it of hers or the HL family if one of their employees wants one? They are not paying for it, contrary to what so many people seem to be implying.
That is exactly why they went to court.. They don't want to pay for 4 out of the 20 forms of "birth control"
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When looking for a job, I do NOT intend to investigate the foreign entities upon which my prospective employer relies. I expect any successful company to operate on a free-trade basis.
What country do you suggest Hobby Lobby buy from? If you want them to double their prices, let them trade with France or Bulgaria. If you want to see them cut the pay of all their employees, perhaps they should buy from South Africa. Hobby Lobby pays employees almost twice what some of its competators do, and also employs disabled people that might have trouble finding a job elsewhere. They could not stay in business at all, if they bought mostly from the United States.
I'm content to let the goverment straighten out international trade agreements...that's too complicated for me. And I don't feel personally responsible for the opression of the Chinese. But I don't want the GOVERNMENT dictating my health care on the basis of STATISTICS and ACTUARIAL findings. I've seen first hand some of the neglect and tragic results of single-payer health care. I'd rather decide with my own physician what tests and treatments would be best for me. I think we will come to regret the new health care plan.