Had something interest happen this past weekend

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I work at a state prison and a county detention center... this weekend I was at the detention center.

I had something happen this past weekend that was quite interesting... I had a man come up c/o lightheadedness, nausea and vomiting blood. Ok... I didn't see it but it did warrant an assessment. I pulled his chart. He was on motrin 800mg tid for a shoulder injury. No significat history except he was an alcoholic prior to being incarcerated. I spoke with the inmate and he states he has a history of ulcers. He was clearly pale, clammy and his color was a little yellow to me. I took his vitals... bp 99/50, pulse 100, temp 96 (I took it 3 times). He said that he had been lightheaded as well. I told him to stop the motrin. I asked him what he had eaten and what he had to drink and he said lots of pepperoni and pizza. I thought well, maybe it was sauce that he saw. He started to feel a little better. He said he had Tums and would take those and lay down. I told him to tell an officer if he vomited again or if anything got worse or if he developed new symptoms. Well an hour later I get a call. I told them to bring him up. He stated that he had vomited again and he said he could taste blood. He kept saying "I feel like something busted." His looks spoke for itself. You have so many manipulaters its hard to tell sometimes who is valid and who's not. My gut and assessment said send him out. It was 10:30pm. I called the doc on call and his voice mail picked up. I left a message about my assessment and said I was sending him out. I told security and they were ticked because it was 1) 10:30pm and they were changing shifts soon and 2) the doctor hadn't called back yet. I said "Look, he is clearly sick and I am not risking his health or my license." Sounded mean maybe but I just had a gut feeling. The doc called back and said go ahead and send him... he was already gone. Well I called the day after and found they admitted him. I found out today that he had emergency surgery (he was bleeding internally) and is in ICU... I don't know the diagnosis though. Security actually went to my boss and told them that I made a decision without doctor consent, but I didn't. Well, thats my job late at night with no doctor... My objective opinion was something is wrong. I called the doctor like I was suppose to. The doc didn't pick up so I left a message and he called right back. The doc of course will say yes send them out because they depend on us and we are the ones there, they aren't. Clearly security has no training to make any decisions pertaining to medcial. My boss told them that it was fine that I made the decision that I made... if not, he might have died. I mean sometimes we have to make on the spot decisions based on our knowledge.

Sorry for the book... its just I didn't like the way security acted. They feel like the inmates always lie and sometimes they do. This inmate was a trustee... no history of frequent visits and states he hasn't been sick since being in there (over a year).

When I told them I wanted to send him out... one officer looked at his watch and said "Its almost time to go home." I said "well he needs to go and can't wait." The sargeant comes over to me and says is the doctor aware... I said I called and left a message and she'll call back any minute. I didn't back down because she acted like she wanted to wait. I told her that he had to go asap and that he could be bleeding internally... the other officer said "yeah right" I said, "His objective symptoms clearly say something is wrong..."

What a mess. I am glad I sent him!

Specializes in Oncology, Corrections.

MadisonsMom, how long have you been in corrections? By the sound of it, it sounds like this is the first time this has happened. I have been in corrections for 14 years and let me tell ya, this happens to us on an almost daily basis, the deputies giving us a hard time for sending people out. We have to go by our nursing judgement. Great job! You did the right thing! And even without the doctor's "OK", you're covered because you didn't initiate any treatment, you just had him transported to a place where he could get the help he needed. Whenever the deputies tell me the inmate is faking, I just say "I know, probably!" and smile. But inside I'm thinking "we'll see".

-Gem =)

Specializes in Corrections, ICU, HIV.

Great Job! I have been a correctional nurse for a long time. I am now in administration but nurse's like you are what it is all about. Doesn't matter if he's hard core or what he has done, he is your patient and you did just what you should have done. I have been called chocolate heart, inmate lover, you name it and I have heard it from correctional staff during my career. It just doesn't matter, they are our patients and we are all they have. Your motto is absolutely true. I had a doc once order me not to send and offender out, I did anyway and he died in the hospital of an abdominal aneurism. He was a full code and I new something was very wrong. I was acknowledged for a job done right and the doc was told if he didnt want him sent he should have come in and done his own assessment. You should be very proud, stick with it corrections needs nurses like you. Followthe rules but take care of the patient. :yeah::nurse::yelclap::cheers:

Great Job! I have been a correctional nurse for a long time. I am now in administration but nurse's like you are what it is all about. Doesn't matter if he's hard core or what he has done, he is your patient and you did just what you should have done. I have been called chocolate heart, inmate lover, you name it and I have heard it from correctional staff during my career. It just doesn't matter, they are our patients and we are all they have. Your motto is absolutely true. I had a doc once order me not to send and offender out, I did anyway and he died in the hospital of an abdominal aneurism. He was a full code and I new something was very wrong. I was acknowledged for a job done right and the doc was told if he didnt want him sent he should have come in and done his own assessment. You should be very proud, stick with it corrections needs nurses like you. Followthe rules but take care of the patient. :yeah::nurse::yelclap::cheers:

Wow, you saved that prison from a huuuuge lawsuit. Well done! What in your assessment tipped you off to something being very wrong?

Specializes in Corrections, ICU, HIV.

You could see his heart beat in his abdomen from the hall. It was so obvious something was very wrong.

This is such a great story.. I'm a newby here, to nursing, and to corrections. I really like how this story relates to how we learn to use our judgment as a nurse (the gut feeling), to be an advocate (which often times means using the power of the license), and to trust your assessment skills. I have an interview in a couple weeks for a state prison, and I'm learning more from this site than anywhere else. Thank you!

I've had experiences like that. I work county jail max security. The security hate when I send someone out because they have to go with the inmate and don't want to. It means overtime to admin. They always try to second guess me. I had an inmate recently that I wa very familiar with. A repeater. He had out of control diabetes and high blood pressure. He was non compliant. I did not bother to check on him when he first came in. I knew he had not taken meds and did not want to take meds. But, he frequently woke up with blood on his sheet and in his mouth and nose at home and in jail. One of the gaurds mentioned it to me and was all excited about it so I had the inmate brought up. The inmate is already protesting, he doesn't want to see me. His BP was 222/160 and there were signs of dried blood in the nares. I told the commander the inmate was in hypertensive crisis and need to go to ER now. HE says, "Did you ask the doctor"?. I said "It's a no brainer", If I call the doctor he'll ask why, what am I waiting for? So I had to call the doctor and apologise for bothering him. Doctor says "Tell them the inmate may die and they get to choose where." So I did, they go "OH, better call EMS instead of taking him in a squad car. Dummies!!!! You are on your own in corrections and better be able to make decisions on your own. I have fought many battles for sick inmates. It's not easy when your fighting the cops. They have an attitude and they like things their way. God love 'em anyway.:redbeathe

I've been in corrections for a few months. Those stories sound exactly like the stuff that goes on where I work, too. Being second-guessed and controlled by non medical people is something you really have to get used to. Luckily, the job is worth it. I wish I had started in corrections years ago, (on most days.)

Op

Excellent work!!!

Specializes in ER, ICU, Corrections.

I have been a correctional nurse for 19 years and believe me, there have been many times that I have been second-guessed by the officers and if they keep on me I always say, "you can't afford to keep me in the way I am use to living if you don't send this guy out and he dies.":D:D Most of the time they don't give me any trouble because they know me now and they realize that I know most of the time that I know what I am talking about :chuckle. Many times I have sent an inmate out and I haven't even called the doctor and he agreed with me in the morning.

One time many years ago I had an inmate that I just had one of those feelings, you know those nurse feelings. Well I called the doctor and told him that I really didn't know why I wanted to send him to the hospital, I just didn't feel right and his pain was getting worse. We sent him out and the next day I got to work and the doctor told me that he liked my "nurse feelings," cause the inmate had ruptured his gallbladder and it had encapsulated. If I hadn't sent him to the hospital it could have ruptured again and he could have died that time. Of course the officers didn't like that one either because he had been sitting in the infirmary for 12 hours and then all of a sudden he needed to go. But when they admitted him, the officers didn't hold anything against me.

Sonya

Specializes in Camp/LTC/School/Hospital.

Good Job! Everyone deserves quality care.

I'm glad you stood your ground. It's a shame that we have to fight with non medical personnel like that, though. It drains me when I have to fight with subordinates or even with Nursing Administration. I guess it's just part of life in the big city.

The only thing I'd have done differently is send him out the first time I saw him, as I'm not much of a gambler.

I am so excited to see a forum for correctional nursing here! I was just hired at a correction center (I am a new grad) and all my former classmates are only interested in working in hospitals. It's going to be very interesting due to the fact that my fiance is a sargeant at the same facility. I've heard a lot about the discipline side of the job but I am going to be there as a nurse and I've made it very clear that my viewpoint will be very different than his. Anyway, great job on standing your ground and not being intimidated just because it was "shift change" and they didn't want to do anything! Maybe they'll respect your judgements from now on! :wink2:

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