Had something interest happen this past weekend

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I work at a state prison and a county detention center... this weekend I was at the detention center.

I had something happen this past weekend that was quite interesting... I had a man come up c/o lightheadedness, nausea and vomiting blood. Ok... I didn't see it but it did warrant an assessment. I pulled his chart. He was on motrin 800mg tid for a shoulder injury. No significat history except he was an alcoholic prior to being incarcerated. I spoke with the inmate and he states he has a history of ulcers. He was clearly pale, clammy and his color was a little yellow to me. I took his vitals... bp 99/50, pulse 100, temp 96 (I took it 3 times). He said that he had been lightheaded as well. I told him to stop the motrin. I asked him what he had eaten and what he had to drink and he said lots of pepperoni and pizza. I thought well, maybe it was sauce that he saw. He started to feel a little better. He said he had Tums and would take those and lay down. I told him to tell an officer if he vomited again or if anything got worse or if he developed new symptoms. Well an hour later I get a call. I told them to bring him up. He stated that he had vomited again and he said he could taste blood. He kept saying "I feel like something busted." His looks spoke for itself. You have so many manipulaters its hard to tell sometimes who is valid and who's not. My gut and assessment said send him out. It was 10:30pm. I called the doc on call and his voice mail picked up. I left a message about my assessment and said I was sending him out. I told security and they were ticked because it was 1) 10:30pm and they were changing shifts soon and 2) the doctor hadn't called back yet. I said "Look, he is clearly sick and I am not risking his health or my license." Sounded mean maybe but I just had a gut feeling. The doc called back and said go ahead and send him... he was already gone. Well I called the day after and found they admitted him. I found out today that he had emergency surgery (he was bleeding internally) and is in ICU... I don't know the diagnosis though. Security actually went to my boss and told them that I made a decision without doctor consent, but I didn't. Well, thats my job late at night with no doctor... My objective opinion was something is wrong. I called the doctor like I was suppose to. The doc didn't pick up so I left a message and he called right back. The doc of course will say yes send them out because they depend on us and we are the ones there, they aren't. Clearly security has no training to make any decisions pertaining to medcial. My boss told them that it was fine that I made the decision that I made... if not, he might have died. I mean sometimes we have to make on the spot decisions based on our knowledge.

Sorry for the book... its just I didn't like the way security acted. They feel like the inmates always lie and sometimes they do. This inmate was a trustee... no history of frequent visits and states he hasn't been sick since being in there (over a year).

When I told them I wanted to send him out... one officer looked at his watch and said "Its almost time to go home." I said "well he needs to go and can't wait." The sargeant comes over to me and says is the doctor aware... I said I called and left a message and she'll call back any minute. I didn't back down because she acted like she wanted to wait. I told her that he had to go asap and that he could be bleeding internally... the other officer said "yeah right" I said, "His objective symptoms clearly say something is wrong..."

What a mess. I am glad I sent him!

I'm with Angie

It does sound like shock

"Shock can occur after any kind of trauma: a severe allergic reaction, poisoning, heat stroke, burns, or any other severe stress on the body. But the phenomenon can also ensue from severe dehydration, excessive vomiting, or extreme diarrhea. What happens when the body goes into shock is that blood -- and the oxygen it carries -- can't get to vital organs, and the organs begin to fail. Treating shock early can save lives; left untreated it can be life-threatening. It's essential to recognize the signs of shock and treat it quickly."

You did mention he told you that he vomited 3x but maybe he really did vomit a lot more like that. I have never met a men who could count well when they were sick (just kidding)

Seriously though since he's a trustee he probably didn't want to sound like a whiner. Just wondering if he is the houseman by chance. (the head trustee in some detention facilities are called that)

The houseman in particular has a lot to lose if he looks weak in front of other inmates.

He probably intentionally told you less then what really happened since he's surrounded by blatant liars and exaggerators and didn't want you to lump him into that category.

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/shock

II feel a little bad now because he was more than likely experiencing shock. I have been a nurse for about 5 years and haven't experienced seeing anyone in shock. It was right in front of my face and I didn't see it... I totally didn't expect it.

The important thing is that he did get his care and is on the road to recovery. What an ordeal!

Don't beat yourself up and play armchair quarterback on yourself.

You knew something was wrong and he did get the appropriate care thanks to you. Next time if it happens you will know it's shock. He is just fine now and you can breathe easily. You did right by him and I think you knew subconciously what it was during your assessment. I think the minor argument with the "Reno 911" sarge had a lot to do with you second guessing yourself on the shock issue.

Specializes in Addictions, Corrections, QA/Education.

Well, another update. He is back... he has C-diff and MRSA. Great huh? I work this Thursday so I am sure I will see him then.

I am not sure if he is a houseman. He worked in the kitchen but recently was "promoted" to commissary. He was worried about his job.

Thank you ALL for your wonderful supportive comments and wealth of information! Its all a big learning experience. This makes me more knowledgable from actual experience and more confident in my assessment and clinical skills. :):):):):)

Specializes in CCU, LTC, ICU, Corrections.

You did a great job in the decision you made! Remember the sergant doesnt have a license to worry about and we are ultimately responsible if an inmate dies on our watch. Always trust your instincts!

MadisonsMomRN-

Good for you, and I'm glad your boss backed you!

One of the most important things one learns working for the department of corrections is to protect your license. You completed your assessment and did the right thing. Proctecting our licenses is not as hard when you can recognize an offender in need of care above the level we can provide in our correctional environment. Cudos to you:yeah:

One of the most important things one learns working for the department of corrections is to protect your license. You completed your assessment and did the right thing. Proctecting our licenses is not as hard when you can recognize an offender in need of care above the level we can provide in our correctional environment.

Cudos to you for a thorough assessment and standing your ground:yeah:

Well, another update. He is back... he has C-diff and MRSA. Great huh? I work this Thursday so I am sure I will see him then.

I am not sure if he is a houseman. He worked in the kitchen but recently was "promoted" to commissary. He was worried about his job.

Thank you ALL for your wonderful supportive comments and wealth of information! Its all a big learning experience. This makes me more knowledgable from actual experience and more confident in my assessment and clinical skills. :):):):):)

Poor fella he's had a rough go of it. I honestly feel bad for him. I agree with him if I was in prison I wouldn't want to lose the commissary job either, thats "cush" by jail standards. I hope he continues to get better. Whew and you must be smiling ear to ear. If it wasn't for your actions and standing up for him, this guy would be dead. Wonder what ole "Reno 911" sarge has to say to you now in between checking his watch. He'll probably never make eye contact with you after this one. He's got to eat his words now. Oh well :)

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Poor fella he's had a rough go of it. I honestly feel bad for him. I agree with him if I was in prison I wouldn't want to lose the commissary job either, thats "cush" by jail standards. I hope he continues to get better. Whew and you must be smiling ear to ear. If it wasn't for your actions and standing up for him, this guy would be dead. Wonder what ole "Reno 911" sarge has to say to you now in between checking his watch. He'll probably never make eye contact with you after this one. He's got to eat his words now. Oh well :)

Well, don't make the officer feel like he is eating his words ever. The guards all know what is happening. You were exactly right to do as you did. Agree with all who said it's your license, not his. Once the guards know about your skills, you should get a lot less crap from them when you say that somebody needs to ship out. Corrections nursing is tough, but you have what it takes. God bless!:nurse:

Specializes in Med Surg.
I work at a state prison and a county detention center... this weekend I was at the detention center.

I had something happen this past weekend that was quite interesting... I had a man come up c/o lightheadedness, nausea and vomiting blood. Ok... I didn't see it but it did warrant an assessment. I pulled his chart. He was on motrin 800mg tid for a shoulder injury. No significat history except he was an alcoholic prior to being incarcerated. I spoke with the inmate and he states he has a history of ulcers. He was clearly pale, clammy and his color was a little yellow to me. I took his vitals... bp 99/50, pulse 100, temp 96 (I took it 3 times). He said that he had been lightheaded as well. I told him to stop the motrin. I asked him what he had eaten and what he had to drink and he said lots of pepperoni and pizza. I thought well, maybe it was sauce that he saw. He started to feel a little better. He said he had Tums and would take those and lay down. I told him to tell an officer if he vomited again or if anything got worse or if he developed new symptoms. Well an hour later I get a call. I told them to bring him up. He stated that he had vomited again and he said he could taste blood. He kept saying "I feel like something busted." His looks spoke for itself. You have so many manipulaters its hard to tell sometimes who is valid and who's not. My gut and assessment said send him out. It was 10:30pm. I called the doc on call and his voice mail picked up. I left a message about my assessment and said I was sending him out. I told security and they were ticked because it was 1) 10:30pm and they were changing shifts soon and 2) the doctor hadn't called back yet. I said "Look, he is clearly sick and I am not risking his health or my license." Sounded mean maybe but I just had a gut feeling. The doc called back and said go ahead and send him... he was already gone. Well I called the day after and found they admitted him. I found out today that he had emergency surgery (he was bleeding internally) and is in ICU... I don't know the diagnosis though. Security actually went to my boss and told them that I made a decision without doctor consent, but I didn't. Well, thats my job late at night with no doctor... My objective opinion was something is wrong. I called the doctor like I was suppose to. The doc didn't pick up so I left a message and he called right back. The doc of course will say yes send them out because they depend on us and we are the ones there, they aren't. Clearly security has no training to make any decisions pertaining to medcial. My boss told them that it was fine that I made the decision that I made... if not, he might have died. I mean sometimes we have to make on the spot decisions based on our knowledge.

Sorry for the book... its just I didn't like the way security acted. They feel like the inmates always lie and sometimes they do. This inmate was a trustee... no history of frequent visits and states he hasn't been sick since being in there (over a year).

When I told them I wanted to send him out... one officer looked at his watch and said "Its almost time to go home." I said "well he needs to go and can't wait." The sargeant comes over to me and says is the doctor aware... I said I called and left a message and she'll call back any minute. I didn't back down because she acted like she wanted to wait. I told her that he had to go asap and that he could be bleeding internally... the other officer said "yeah right" I said, "His objective symptoms clearly say something is wrong..."

What a mess. I am glad I sent him!

You go girl. Security would all be pumping gas somewhere if it were not for corrections. It dosnt make them bad guys just ignorant which is way better than stupid

Specializes in OR, OB, EM, Flight, ICU, PACU.......

Not a Corrections Nurse, but a few years ago, I was a Traveller in Northern California, and experienced my first (and hope only) time with the prison population in my professional career.

I was informed I was going to circulate a case (Ortho) on an inmate from Pelican Bay. Found out the Worst of the Worst were kept there. This one , was a multiple murderer (7 I think) of various family, children, spouse (babymomma?) and neighbors. What fun, I thought!

Met the Lt. in charge of the 4 man detail before going in to do my interview. These were some of the beefyest men I've ever seen. Any one , or all of them could have been in the NFL. They made me take off my nametag, my custom scrub hat , put on my mask and a generic paper hat, and was informed not to do anything or say anything that could identify me in the future. Wow! Guess I got the case because I was one of the few males in the OR.

Met my "patient", shackled, four point restraints (sorry if I miss the terminology) and a Guard on each limb, facing the inmate and they never took their eyes off him the whole time.Got through the interview in one piece and left to finish the room before Anesthsia and the Surgeon got there.

When all was in readiness, and I returned to the pt's room to get the Guards in their scrubs . As a last caveat, the Lt. tells me, as we are going out the door (the halls were cleared of all staff and other pts.), that if I tell the inmate to lift his left leg, and he moves his right, to hit the floor, as all of them are going to "Ventilate his a**!" First time for me in the OR with 4 fully armed Guards! Talk about Reality Check! Anyway, it all went well and got him to PACU and then it was their problem.

Anyone have a similar experience, and were they SERIOUS?! Don't know how you all do this for a living, but God Love You All!:bowingpur

Wow, what an ordeal. I'm glad that you stood your ground and did the right thing. I sure hope that this was an eye opener for custody and in the future they don't question your skills. Keep up the good work.

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