Growing Up Unvaccinated

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"I am the 70s child of a health nut. I wasn't vaccinated. I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar til I was one, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame. My mother used homeopathy, aromatherapy, osteopathy, we took daily supplements of vitamin C, echinacea, cod liver oil..

I had an outdoor lifestyle; I grew up next to a farm, walked everywhere, did sports and danced twice a week, drank plenty of water. I wasn't even allowed pop; even my fresh juice was watered down to protect my teeth, and I would've killed for white, shop-bought bread in my lunch box once in a while and biscuits instead of fruit like all the other kids. We only ate (organic local) meat maybe once or twice a week and my mother and father cooked everything from scratch - I have yet to taste a Findus crispy pancake and oven chips were reserved for those nights when mum and dad had friends over and we got a "treat."

As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.

Anecdotal evidence is nothing to base decisions on. But when facts and evidence-based science aren't good enough to sway someone's opinion, then this is where I come from. After all, anecdotes are the anti-vaccine supporter's way. Well, this is my personal experience. And my personal experience prompts me to vaccinate my children and myself."

http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/growing-up-unvaccinated/

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

Her latest is that pro-vaccine individuals can't critically think. What irritates me the most is that she has no degree, no background in science of any kind and only the most rudimentary idea of how a vaccine actually works. And yet, these are the people who have the loudest voice and are basically starting a movement of willful ignorance. I fear for the next generation.

Me too. There seems to be a lot of the "inability to critically think" going around these days -- about a lot of topics.

I believe we have become too tolerant of other people's views in some cases. Children are raised in a world where everyone's opinion is considered to be equally valid because it is not politically correct for people to say "That's hogwash!" Children aren't taught to critically evaluate ideas because that might offend some parent who believes in hogwash. By teaching them to "respect everyone equally," they don't learn that some ideas are more worthy of respect than others. They don't learn that you can respect a person's personhood but still think that what they are saying is totally wrong. So they grow up not discriminating between good ideas and bad ones.

That's my rant for the day ...

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.

Being in California, it scares me to see so many anti-vaccine parents. I just wasn't raised that way even though I'm from the South. I got all my vaccinations and in high school when the HPV and Menactra shots came out my mom had me get them. I also got the new chicken pox shot even though I was in high school as well. When I went for my physical to start nursing school at 20yo my doctor was shocked that I was caught up on all my vaccines, including TDAP, and I even had my flu shot at the time. I get my flu shot religiously every year and I love that the District I work at brings in our insurance company to give us free flu shots each year. When I have children, in the far, far, far, future, I plan on having them get all their shots, on time, according to the CDC schedule. Especially since I live so close to the border. And if I have children with my current love, there's a high chance my kids will cross the border to see relatives a lot. Although I am pro-vaccine, I'm understanding and I do not judge the parents who want vaccine waivers for their kids. I understand that they are doing what they think is best for their kids, and I will do what's best for my future children and vaccinate them.

what kills me with all the press about getting a TdAP booster around infants that we STILL have moms that refuse the booster. And then don't get the babies vaccinated. Like someone said upthread the PICU is always open.

I have a friend who puts out anti-vaccine rhetoric everyday on Facebook. I posted the "growing up unvaccinated" article on my wall and she argued me to the point that I just gave up because it was getting me too annoyed.

She honestly believes that healthcare workers are all out to poison her child in order to make big bucks from the pharmaceutical companies, etc, etc (Hey Merck! I want my commission!) She now believes that she is "vaccine injured" and every case of asthma attacks, sore throat, etc. she had as a child all stemmed from her childhood vaccinations.

Her latest is that pro-vaccine individuals can't critically think. What irritates me the most is that she has no degree, no background in science of any kind and only the most rudimentary idea of how a vaccine actually works. And yet, these are the people who have the loudest voice and are basically starting a movement of willful ignorance. I fear for the next generation.

I know some people like this, too. One is someone who is my closest friend. Her child spent several days in PICU a few years ago due to asthma, but yet she did not want to give her child the recommended preventative meds when they got home. So the kid has been sick a lot, and sometimes I can see the kid struggling to breathe. My friend even took her kids to a third world country two years ago and sees it as proof of their natural immunity that her children didn't get sick. The one did have bad asthma while there, and she did use the inhalers so it must have been pretty bad. If she were to ever get one of these diseases they make vaccines for, I fear it won't be a good outcome. At all. :-(

It's just SO frustrating! It really is. And they honestly believe we have poisoned our children and are buying into a government conspiracy. People claim they are vaccine-injured or their kids are. Well I have seen way too many non-vaccine injured kids. Meningitis is way ugly and if they survive they often have brain damage and/or lost limbs. And

. Who wants to put their kids through that to build their immunity?? I show them these types of videos and they just reply with some story about some friend of a friend's kid who is vaccine injured.

I have only seen two cases of vaccine injured kids. One was truly a bad reaction that left him with swelling of the brain and severe disability. It was a mom I met on an internet forum. But even then, that mom is not against vaccines in general. The other was guillain-barré syndrome and that child was expected to make a full recovery. But for those two cases I have seen in just 2 years in PICU/step-down more cases than I can recall of preventable vaccine illnesses.

Do you have any advice for how to (calmly and kindly) speak with FAMILY who opposes those who DO vaccinate their children?? I have hidden it from everyone in my family that my child is vaxed. So far, hiding it has been easier than trying to discuss it with them because I'm the ONLY one who vaxs.

One thing a family member said to me as I started applying for nursing school was, "How could you knowingly inject poison into children and adults as part of your daily job?" I told her it wasn't an issue for me and left it at that.

My family is not ignorant and I believe they've done their research, and I'm glad they make informed decisions one way or the other. I honestly don't care that they don't vax - my issue is that they have no respect for people who DO - to the point that I can't even tell them that myself and my child are!

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

I grew up where what is called "unnatural" food was simply unknown. Farm like one of XIX century, even without "chemical" fertilizers (old good manure did the job pretty well). Was near all sort of farm animals almost since birth. Water from the probably clearest well in existence. Walking/running as a way of life. Nothing "artificial" whatsoever, even soap and most of the clothing was homemade. I had not much as a sneeze till turning five, and my Grandma had not a high opinion about "these stupidities without which we'd lived happily for ages and nobody died yet". My other grandma (who was, BTW, a pediatrician) also though that "these shots are too painful for a child and probably have some risks anyway" and so they can wait for a bit.

Well, the next thing happened after I moved to the city when my parents got a place to live, I got measles. Then measles pneumonia. Then, immediately, pertussis AND rubella, together. Three weeks were spent on vent, then half a year in sanatorium, then at least a month every year in hospital. My mom was following me like a tail for the next 10 years, with inhalers, masks and epinephrine syringes (as a result of getting every single antibiotic they could think of I got critically severe allergies and so was in a habit of stopping breathing altogether from time to time). I never had real friends, never had crazy birthday bash with cake and candy, never ate a meal with other kids till I turned fifteen and could take care of myself. Good and happy childhood, even by measly standards of Soviet Union.

Now I'm here in America. Of course, EpiPen is sort of more reliable than IV shot and I like Advair more than prednisone pills but the fact still remains: there is a good chance that I'll need lung transplant. And I know that all that could be prevented SO easily. My kid gets every shot, religiously. She doesn't tolerate all of them very well, we even had to go to ER once and since that split them in no more than two at a time. But the last thing I want is to see her suffering like I do and quietly blaming me for being coward and preferring "benefits" of ignorance over known risk of action. I have my own opinions - I don't believe, for example, that HPV vaccine will have any significant role in prevention of throat/neck cancers. But even partial prevention of cervical cancer (which is unpleasant enough) and anal cancer (which is quite deadly) is a worthy thing to do, IMHO.

Sorry for the vent... but I'd like to show my Xray to one of these vaccine-fighters.

I am very pro-vaccine but this person really contracted all of these things?

I believe it.

Specializes in Anesthesia.

"How common is GBS, and how common is it among people who have been vaccinated against seasonal influenza?

GBS is rare. Medical events occur regardless of vaccination, and background rates are used to assess vaccine safety by comparing the expected rate of disease or death to the actual or observed rate in any given timeframe. The background rate for GBS in the U.S. is about 80 to 160 cases of GBS each week, regardless of vaccination."

CDC - Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) | Seasonal Influenza (Flu)

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/813959

Vaccines and Guillain-Barré syndrome. [Drug Saf. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

I wonder if insurance companies will cover these type of ultra preventable illness on unvaccinated children who become hospitalized. I can see vaccines being a requirement in order to be insured in the future.

As others have said ... those diseases were pretty common only a few decades ago. Let's see ... I've had ...

measles, mumps, chicken pox, scarletina, severe poison ivy, and a couple bouts of tonsillitis. That was a pretty normal childhood back in the 50's and 60's. And my dad was a physician who gave us all the newest vaccines as soon as they were available.

I got my poison ivy shot series at age 7 after being covered with the stuff each summer. I got my rubella vaccine the first year it was available, too (when I was in high school). I remember pregnant women being exposed to kids with rubella having to make the agonizing decision whether to have an abortion or not because of the possible harm to the fetus. My first "nursing job" was at the age of 6 or 7, putting out sugar cubes (with oral polio vaccine to be added by Dad) for the mass distribution of the first oral polio vaccine back in the very early 60's.

That's not ancient history. I'm "only" 58.

There is a poison ivy shot?!

Do you have any advice for how to (calmly and kindly) speak with FAMILY who opposes those who DO vaccinate their children?? I have hidden it from everyone in my family that my child is vaxed. So far, hiding it has been easier than trying to discuss it with them because I'm the ONLY one who vaxs.

One thing a family member said to me as I started applying for nursing school was, "How could you knowingly inject poison into children and adults as part of your daily job?" I told her it wasn't an issue for me and left it at that.

My family is not ignorant and I believe they've done their research, and I'm glad they make informed decisions one way or the other. I honestly don't care that they don't vax - my issue is that they have no respect for people who DO - to the point that I can't even tell them that myself and my child are!

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Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
There is a poison ivy shot?!

Yep -- and least there was back in the early 1960's. (My college roommate got hers back then, too.) When I was little we played outside a lot in fields and woods. We would get covered with poison ivy -- like 50% of our bodies. Then when I was 6 or 7, my siblings and I got a series of 4 shots (big, painful ones in our backsides). After that, I never got more than a small little patch of poison ivy. My college roommate and her brother's experience was the same.

I don't know exactly what was in those shots ... but they worked and that one series remained effective throughout the rest of my childhood.

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