Great book by Suzanne Gordon:Nursing Against The Odds

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Specializes in Critical Care.
While the book brings up several issues within nursing, it only mentioned LPNs twice; leaving out some of the nurse population, an obvious snubbing.

Don't sweat it, she also bought into the BSN only debate.

Apparently, I'm not a Real Nurse, either. . .

~faith,

Timothy.

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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Don't sweat it, she also bought into the BSN only debate.

Apparently, I'm not a Real Nurse, either. . .

~faith,

Timothy.

Oh i don't but it's jsut a royal shame that i paid that much money for a book that pretty much sees my profession as "assisting".

Silly me, i actually thought a book titled "Nursing Against the Odds" would have included all of the nurses. :rolleyes:

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Specializes in Med-Surg.
The poorest of poor can walk into any ER in this country and get care.

~faith,

Timothy.

Yeah, but me as a middle class person with insurance pays 100's of dollars and I have insurance. Not all working people with insurance have 100's of dollars to spare should an emergency arise. Plus, I would only go for a true emergency not a routine doctor's visit.

I work for a not-for-profit, I'm well aware the poor are well taken care of in America. Although it is a fact the poor and minorities are receiving substandard care compared to whites and wealthier people.

I am not for turning the entire health care system, including pharm research over to the goverments hands. That would be a nightmare. There is plenty of room for universal health care and private enterprise. Keeping it private and competetive might help to contain costs.

I know it's full of controversy and potential problems. But as a nurse, it's just my fundamental belief that all of us have equal access to healthcare as a basic right. In a trillion dollar economy this should not be impossible.

We could go around and around Timothy. We've both come to our conclusions based on personal experience, intelligent reading and research, and we're obviously nto going to change each other's opinion. I feel very strong in favor of universal health care.

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Specializes in Long Term Care.
Baby steps

If Medicare is the only payer, then Medicare sets the rates for everything (They have too much control of that, now), and that eventually would include the cost of the 'bed' - and we ARE part of that cost.

Within 10 yrs of single payer Medicare, the primary function of Medicare would be cost containment. And YOU are part of that 'cost'.

Think about it, isn't cost containment the primary reason for advocating for single payer Medicare now? Get rid of all those fatcat insurance companies making a fortune off the health care system?

So, what happens when cost containment of those 'fatcats' aren't enough, and some gov't 'crat decides the real cost containment is in the masses of these 'small fatcat' RNs? I mean, if they really were caring, money wouldn't be the factor? So, either we're caring angels, or moneygrubbing scammers off the back of healthcare.

Well, there's one way to separate the wheat from the chaff. And I have no doubt this would happen. It wouldn't be abrupt, but gradual. First, slowing wages, then wage freezes. And all the while, EVERY hospital has the same, semi-real refrain: "We have to work within the Medicare model; our hands are tied."

Our competitive salaries are the result of competition. The whole purpose of removing the competition away to gov't is to take the profit of competition out of the system. Fine, but your advancing salary is one of those 'profits' such a system is designed to contain.

~faith,

Timothy.

Yeah, That!

Right on!

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Specializes in Nursing assistant.
Don't sweat it, she also bought into the BSN only debate.

Apparently, I'm not a Real Nurse, either. . .

~faith,

Timothy.

Totally off subject, and please forgive me, but your poetic quote: The lie: It is sweet and meet to die for one's country. Sweet! and decorous!" What inspired that?

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I hear many nurses say they are against single payor/national health care-

that it would be a bad thing and make things worse for us.

However, every Canadian nurse I've worked with or communicated with on the Net whom has worked in the US has returned to Canada because in their experiences, US health care is "terrible..no standards of care...a joke."

All Canadian nurses I've ever worked with have returned to Canada, saying "The Canadian system is so much better" and that they thought their system was bad...that is until they experienced ours.

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Additionally, one of the Canadian nurse who recently PM'd me broke a travel contract assignment in the Rio Grande Valley of TX. She said that not only are the working conditions better in Canada, but in her case, the wages are as well.

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Specializes in Critical Care.
Totally off subject, and please forgive me, but your poetic quote: The lie: It is sweet and meet to die for one's country. Sweet! and decorous!" What inspired that?

https://allnurses.com/forums/f98/before-you-go-dedicated-wwii-vets-150199.html

There's a link where I cited the whole poem. It was written by a 25 yr old Englishmen who died in war a week before Armistice Day ended WWI.

~faith,

Timothy.

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Specializes in Nursing assistant.
https://allnurses.com/forums/f98/before-you-go-dedicated-wwii-vets-150199.html

There's a link where I cited the whole poem. It was written by a 25 yr old Englishmen who died in war a week before Armistice Day ended WWI.

~faith,

Timothy.

Thank you for the link. My dad was a WW2 vet, and my grand dad a ww1 vet.

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