Giving meds without an order

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I work in long term care. This morning I had a resident complaining of constipation. She had been on several bowel meds prn before going to the hospital but she had been back from the hospital for 5 days and when she was readmitted none were ordered. I went back to the nurse's station and paged her doctor to get orders. He called back about 20 mins later and I got the order for her meds and was filling out the paperwork, faxing to pharmacy, etc. It was about 30 mins after she was complaining to me that she fell out of her chair (the other shift had taken over by now, she told me about the constipation on my last med round and I was wrapping this up before I left, instead of leaving it for the next shift like many do). She said she was so uncomfortable because of her constipation that she had to get up (and instead of calling for help like she usually does decided to do so by herself).

My unit manager was talking about me like I was a dog in front of everyone, saying it was nursing judgement to go ahead and give her some medication first and then call the doctor for the orders. She has fussed at me for the same thing before, because I have waited to get orders from a doctor before doing procedures that we need an order for (such as putting in a catheter). I was taught that we are supposed to get an order before giving any medication, even a tylenol but I see many nurses give unordered medication and either call later or more often forget to call and then I have to call in the middle of the night to get an order. I am not trying to give a medication with no order and be charged with practicing medicine without a license. What if you give the medicine and something happens, then the doctor says "I didn't give the order for that medication"--you know he is going to protect himself.

Do you consider it nursing judgement to give medication without an order before calling the doctor? (by the way, I would usually try prune juice, etc but this lady says prune juice, milk of mag, and even laxatives don't help, she wants suppositories and enemas when she is constipated.

thanks for your feedback.

Specializes in LTC.

I would not have given her a med, either. I always figure that the Dr. has looked over her orders and decided not to continue tx for a reason, until I find out otherwise. Now, I have admin tx's without orders for skin issues, such as a skin tear, but my luck I'd give a med and something horrendous would happen. I know my karma's boundaries, and choose not to push them.:D

Specializes in LTC, Urgent Care.

On 3-4 occasions, while waiting for new Coumadin orders, the RN has told me to go ahead and administer the current dose, since the PT/INR was virtually the same. I refused each time and luckily so as the Coumadin doses changed! My facility surely wouldn't have backed me up. They would have written me up for a med error in a heartbeat. Trust your instincts. You have to protect your license.

Every NH I've even work in had standing order for bowel meds that could be given per protocol or nursing judgment.

What's up with none where you are?

I've never had to face giving a med without an order because those I feel qualified to use judgment to administer are generally covered by standing orders. I guess I don't understand a facility placing nurses in such a position over suppositories or colace.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Home Health, LTC.

Yes I would consider it a nursing judgment that is dependent upon the relationship you have with the patients doctor and the situation.

But usually the charge nurse would be the one to make the call.

Specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

In my LTC facility most of the doctor groups have a long list of standing orders so that we don't have to call them unless it's a HUGE emergency. You DO have to use your nursing judgement just be aware that there can be consequences at times.

No we don't have standing orders like that. We have to call the MD even for a tylenol order. We do have one MD who handles most of the patients who is known by the nurses as one who you can give reasonable meds to, and the doc will cover you. (though I still don't do that as I feel comfortable). But this lady's doctor was one who will deny an order in a heartbeat unless it came from her mouth herself--even if it's given by one of her on-call doctors.

And this lady did not want colace-she wanted an enema, and had recently been in the hospital for heart problems, so if I had given it without an order and she had a vagal response and suffered injury or death, that doctor would NOT have backed me up.

And we are not put in a position where we can't reach a doctor to get a med order. If the regular doc isn't on call we page the on-call thru the hospital and he will give us an order. The issue here was it took about a half hour to get the order and in the meantime the lady fell and it was blamed on her discomfort from not having a BM. I don't think a half hour is a long time to wait to get a non-emergent med order.

thank you all for your responses.

Specializes in LTC, med/surg, hospice.

Oh in that case, I wouldn't have given anything since the MD is one of those evil ones that won't cover you. I love the MDs that trust my nursing judgement and will back me up.

Specializes in Mother-Baby, Rehab, Hospice, Memory Care.

I was taught my some seasoned nurses at my first NH job that "the Doctor is making the big bucks" to be called for orders and questions. You shouldn't have to feel bad for calling a physician if it's regarding the well being of a pt. You absolutely did the right thing, don't let anyone bully you into doing otherwise

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