i'm in my 4th yr of bs nursing & i will be graduating this may 2006 (woohoo!) now my thread is: i have this classmate who has been passing our nursing subjects not with high grades but not so low grades either. and several instances during our clinicals, she would be asking me or some other groupmate some questions such as: (remember she is a graduating nursing student)
a. what is a diuretic?
b. what does dyspneic/tachypneic mean?
and many instances, she has been really incompetent and uncomprehensible when giving rationales or explanations on different diseases/cases. she doesn't even know what the normal range for fasting blood sugar is!:uhoh21:
i know she shouldn't be allowed to graduate and i, for a fact, would not want to be hospitalized and be under her care (i think i will die!)...
should she be allowed to graduate? should we (me and my other groupmates) bring this up with our level head or dean or someone concerned? i mean, poor girl she's worked so hard. but goodness, poor patients if she will pass the boards eventually (she loves memorizing, w/o understanding anything!). :uhoh21:
yes, she can make us laugh (but not in front of her)... a few of us older girls in our group have spoken to her already, but she's still the same. i hope it won't get to that time that she'll get kicked out of a clinical...bec one time she was doing the cord dressing on a newborn, she almost cut off the entire cord off the baby, instead of cutting off the top part after the clamp. the nurse in charge screamed at her but didn't tell our instructor. and those who were witness to that didn't tell our instructor...
i have not been ignoring those posts and i have no intention of going straight to the dean or instructor to tell on her. that would be so judgemental of me (of which i am guilty of a bit... ). i have no right to say if she should be a nurse, but as a classmate and her groupmate, i am one of 11 of her co-members who see her for what she is. i'm sorry if i sound too harsh about her. but instructors who handle us don't really get to know each and every one of us very well. some have noticed how she is, some have not.
i was just wondering what the rest of this population would do if they are faced with this type of student. but if i do see something dangerous, i would approach her first not go behind her back. i just can't really explain to all of you how she is. sometimes she makes me giggle over her antics, sometimes she irritates the hell out of me, but most of time i feel sorry for her. bec she she really tries very hard.
so should i mind my own business? i'll try...
Not trying to sound callous, although i know i'm going to sound like a One Musketeer, but i barely had time to worry about myself in school ,much less anyone else.
There are always going to be students in clinical who may be a bit behind others and that's due to a whole lot of factors including learning disorder, anxiety, previous experience (some students are CNA's), etc. etc., no confidence in self (which can quickly happen if she is aware of everyone's 'concern' for her). And yes, I have seen students struggle in clinicals--including myself I might add. It's not a nice feeling at all, it's frustrating and demeaning, especially when other students cringe or snicker behind her back.
Just curious--how long have you been doing clinicals? Some students will not perfect their clinical skills until they are on the floors doing skills every single day....repetition! I have only done one foley insertion in a female patient so far...I know of nurses who have told me they didn't get to do foleys until they were GN's.
I think you have a lot of things to consider here...sounds like such nitpicking. You say you 'see her for what she is'....which is???
' but instructors who handle us don't really get to know each and every one of us very well. some have noticed how she is, some have not.'
...how do you know this. Are you assuming???? And you can bet your bottom dollars instructors DO know exactly what's going on with each and every one of you. They have eyes behind their heads---and they have the staff nurses watching and reporting to instructors.
yes, she can make us laugh (but not in front of her)... a few of us older girls in our group have spoken to her already, but she's still the same. i hope it won't get to that time that she'll get kicked out of a clinical...bec one time she was doing the cord dressing on a newborn, she almost cut off the entire cord off the baby, instead of cutting off the top part after the clamp. the nurse in charge screamed at her but didn't tell our instructor. and those who were witness to that didn't tell our instructor...
1. So you and others are actually laughing at her behind her back. Sweet.
2. Why should she take advice from the few older girls in the group. She is to learn from her instructor...period.
3. It sounds like you and others will relish her getting kicked out.
4. How do you know the nurse didn't tell the instructor? Did you follow her around to see if she did?
I'm truly not understanding why this is so bothersome to you. And with the above statements I can see why the girl is a nervous wreck with the milieu she's being exposed to.
1. So you and others are actually laughing at her behind her back. Sweet.
2. Why should she take advice from the few older girls in the group. She is to learn from her instructor...period.
3. It sounds like you and others will relish her getting kicked out.
4. How do you know the nurse didn't tell the instructor? Did you follow her around to see if she did?
I'm truly not understanding why this is so bothersome to you. And with the above statements I can see why the girl is a nervous wreck with the milieu she's being exposed to.
don't get me wrong, but the set up here is different from your country... there are a lot of nursing students in our batch (around 400) and not everyone gets noticed. so if she doesn't flunk out due to grades, big chances are, she'll graduate.
if you get asked what a diuretic is after having a 3 week lecture on fluids/electrolytes and GU disorders, how would you feel about that girl who asked?
i do not relish getting her kicked out. the title of the thread was more of a rhetorical question. i have already said that i wouldn't be going to the dean or CI to talk about her. because i know it's not my place to be doing that. we don't talk down on her when she asks us those questions. we do tell her off when she's done something really wrong. and i do know that the nurse did not tell about that almost cut off cord incident bec if my CI knew, there would be an incident report that would have been made.
(We've skeedaddled past rhetorical, i believe. Considering this thread is 67 posts long, on page 7, and it's been a little past 24 hours since this thread was started.)
I think the moral of the story really is MYOB, though.
(We've skeedaddled past rhetorical, i believe. Considering this thread is 67 posts long, on page 7, and it's been a little past 24 hours since this thread was started.)
I think the moral of the story really is MYOB, though.
Agree 100%. That's the point we've been trying to get across. Oh well. :stone
1. So you and others are actually laughing at her behind her back. Sweet.
2. Why should she take advice from the few older girls in the group. She is to learn from her instructor...period.
3. It sounds like you and others will relish her getting kicked out.
4. How do you know the nurse didn't tell the instructor? Did you follow her around to see if she did?
I'm truly not understanding why this is so bothersome to you. And with the above statements I can see why the girl is a nervous wreck with the milieu she's being exposed to.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with what Suzy's saying here.
I am an ADN student who will finish school next may. Where are the clinical instructors? If one of my class mates or myself did not know the answers to some of the simple questions she can not answer we would get a "not met" for that clinical. after about 3 or four of these we would be unsatisfactory, which means you don't pass that clinical, thus you don't pass that class. And yes I had a question similar to those in clinical, except mine was about a bata-blocker, and yes I got a not met. That was the last time I went to clinical unprepared.
i'm in my 4th yr of bs nursing & i will be graduating this may 2006 (woohoo!) now my thread is: i have this classmate who has been passing our nursing subjects not with high grades but not so low grades either. and several instances during our clinicals, she would be asking me or some other groupmate some questions such as: (remember she is a graduating nursing student)
a. what is a diuretic?
b. what does dyspneic/tachypneic mean?
and many instances, she has been really incompetent and uncomprehensible when giving rationales or explanations on different diseases/cases. she doesn't even know what the normal range for fasting blood sugar is!:uhoh21:
i know she shouldn't be allowed to graduate and i, for a fact, would not want to be hospitalized and be under her care (i think i will die!)...
should she be allowed to graduate? should we (me and my other groupmates) bring this up with our level head or dean or someone concerned? i mean, poor girl she's worked so hard. but goodness, poor patients if she will pass the boards eventually (she loves memorizing, w/o understanding anything!). :uhoh21:
I know quite a few of those kinds of students...I personally dont understand how they make it through without really understanding...or even how she made it through clinicals...trust me it will catch up to her..most likely on the NCLEX...NCLEX questions (from what Ive been told) are critical thinking questions...questions that require an understanding of the material...if she just memorizes the info she will never be able to pass the NCLEX IMO.
). i have no right to say if she should be a nurse, but as a classmate and her groupmate, i am one of 11 of her co-members who see her for what she is. i'm sorry if i sound too harsh about her. but instructors who handle us don't really get to know each and every one of us very well. some have noticed how she is, some have not.
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yes, she can make us laugh (but not in front of her)... a few of us older girls in our group have spoken to her already, but she's still the same. i hope it won't get to that time that she'll get kicked out of a clinical...bec one time she was doing the cord dressing on a newborn, she almost cut off the entire cord off the baby, instead of cutting off the top part after the clamp. the nurse in charge screamed at her but didn't tell our instructor. and those who were witness to that didn't tell our instructor...