getting kicked out.

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Jun 5, 2005

Do you know specifically what some of these safety issues are that get people booted from the program? I'm racking my brain trying to come up with possible examples.

I had a Chemistry professor who wrote the textbook we used. First day of class he pointed his finger at us and swept his arm from one side of the room to the other and said, "half of you will be gone by the end of the semester because you won't be able to keep up with this class." It's an intimidation technique. It is something people like this do to "lord it over you". Being a smart alec I thought to myself, what an orifice. But, he was right. We lost half the class, but I was still there at the end. I don't intimidate easily. Got an A, too!

Take a breath. 33% of the students are doing something right. If you follow procedures and double check any medications and treatments you give you should survive nursing school like thousands of others have. No, they don't report students to the board of nursing. The other students aren't getting into other programs because they are probably admitting that they've been dismissed from another program. Revealing that information is cutting your own throat when you're trying to get into another nursing program.

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Jun 5, 2005

Read this thread on this site

General Nursing Forums > General Nursing Discussion--Essay on PN I Final

Since it relates to your concern about people being kicked out of your nursing program for safety issues I thought you ought to take a look at what this person has to say and perhaps take heed.

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fluffwad · Jun 5, 2005

Well, first of all if some one is getting kicked out of the nursing program for safety issues maybe they've got big enough gaps in their judgement that a career in nursing is not a good idea. We all have faults and weak areas........some people can recognize theirs and do something constructive about it, some people can't.

As for the attrition rate, maybe that means they're going for QUALITY....and in the long run this doing you a favor.

Also, a lot of professors do the intimidation thing because they don't feel like putting up with students who are too lazy / spineless/ unmotivated/ whatever to step up to the challenge of learning the material.

Some people go into nursing for the wrong reasons, or not realizing what it is really all about, or just aren't cut out for it. Life goes on, there are other things out there to do, its not a sin if it doesn't work out.

Pay attention to why these people were cut from the program......I mean the real reason, not what someone who was upset about being cut told you. And then learn from it.

:)

HyperRNRachel · Jun 5, 2005

My class started with 70, with one semester to go there is only about 25 of us left. Everyone drops, fails, or gets "kicked out" for different reasons and they are not always safety issues. I honestly believe, and I have posted this more than once, instructors do not weed out students but, in fact, students weed themselves out. If I could give you one piece of advice it would be to not listen to why others were "kicked out", know what is expected from you and make a commitment to what it takes to succeed in your program. Also let me tell you that the instructors do not look out on the class on the first day and cast judgment on who is good enough to stay and who is not worthy to be there.

Good luck, be organized, show up on time, and you will succeed!

Sis123 · Jun 5, 2005

If instructors do not weed out students, then explain this:

I'm at a school with a horrible atrition rate, somewhere under 1/3 of the people graduate from this school. One clinical instructor bragged to me the she kicked out a third of h"er class last semester."

HyperRNRachel · Jun 5, 2005

If instructors do not weed out students, then explain this:
I'm at a school with a horrible atrition rate, somewhere under 1/3 of the people graduate from this school. One clinical instructor bragged to me the she kicked out a third of h"er class last semester."

How many are in a clinical group? Our groups can be no larger than 10. So if she failed three people she must have witnessed something that warranted the need to fail the student. I will admit that most students who immediately show unsafe practice, poor work ethics, or bad judgment are usually gone first. I can almost guarantee that good students were not "kicked out".

How is the clinical grade calculated? Our clinical grade is 60% performance, 30% final exam, 5% paper work (including care plans), and 5% clinical presentation, so the only way to possibly fail a clinical is 2 med. errors, poor clinical performance, or failing the clinical exam if your performace grade is low. All of these areas are not in the instuctor's control, but is in the control of the student.

fluffwad · Jun 5, 2005

If instructors do not weed out students, then explain this:
I'm at a school with a horrible atrition rate, somewhere under 1/3 of the people graduate from this school. One clinical instructor bragged to me the she kicked out a third of h"er class last semester."

I was always of the opinion that my instructors were very rough ( even nasty) to us, on purpose, to see if we could take it / cope with rough situations. Life as a nurse ain't no tiptoe thru the tulips..........and its not a job for the faint of heart and the spineless. There are a lot of families, doctors, etc. out there that are not going to be nice either.

Luv2BAnurse · Jun 5, 2005

I wouldn't worry about it. Do your best. I graduated as one of 29 out of an initial class of 150. I can't recall any instructor kicking anyone out of the program. The students who did not graduate simply didn't want it bad enough. There are various reasons for them not graduating, from deciding that it wasn't really what they wanted, or they didn't want to put that much time into an education, making serious errors in clinical (wrong medication), serious errors in class (cheating). Usually one offense did not result in any student being removed from class. Remember most importantly...it was the student, not the teacher, that made the decision (directly or indirectly) to not graduate.

fluffwad · Jun 7, 2005

I wouldn't worry about it. Do your best. I graduated as one of 29 out of an initial class of 150.

Wow. My class graduated 170 out of 200...........But there was a 2 year waiting list, we had to have everything but the nursing classes and A&P done first.

ranxerox · Jun 12, 2005

You're all missing it. I am top of my class in scores, bottom of my class in ability to get along with clinical instructors. ( and dont just advise me to get better at getting along with them....that's a duh)

To make matters worse, all my pre-requisites are from the same school I'm attempting to get an AA in nursing. So if I do get kicked out, I can't really start again...my prereqs have are attached to the one year of nursing school, and they'll check why I got kicked out.

As to safety...well it's a thing about AA degrees comming from community colleges. It isn't easy to kick a student out of a community college, but nursing schools can do so IF they deem the student unsafe. So everything gets turned into a safety issue. After getting kicked out for safety issues, you can either start again ( not possible for me, cause my pre-requisites are at the same school and on the same transcript ) or you can try and transfer what credits you have, but then you will have to try to explain why you have been kicked out. And they will check up on you, if they have reason to do so......

So, if I want to maximize my chances of becomming a nurse, I need to consider trying to transfer out. But I started too late, so now I think I need to just resign from this program, and hope to be able to transfer into another program.........

The BRN is all over this school, but as of yet they haven't done anything. I know nursing schools are difficult and clinical instructors are crazy, but this one is twice of each.....

GrnHonu99, RN · Jun 12, 2005

You're all missing it. I am top of my class in scores, bottom of my class in ability to get along with clinical instructors. ( and dont just advise me to get better at getting along with them....that's a duh)
To make matters worse, all my pre-requisites are from the same school I'm attempting to get an AA in nursing. So if I do get kicked out, I can't really start again...my prereqs have are attached to the one year of nursing school, and they'll check why I got kicked out.
As to safety...well it's a thing about AA degrees comming from community colleges. It isn't easy to kick a student out of a community college, but nursing schools can do so IF they deem the student unsafe. So everything gets turned into a safety issue. After getting kicked out for safety issues, you can either start again ( not possible for me, cause my pre-requisites are at the same school and on the same transcript ) or you can try and transfer what credits you have, but then you will have to try to explain why you have been kicked out. And they will check up on you, if they have reason to do so......
So, if I want to maximize my chances of becomming a nurse, I need to consider trying to transfer out. But I started too late, so now I think I need to just resign from this program, and hope to be able to transfer into another program.........
The BRN is all over this school, but as of yet they haven't done anything. I know nursing schools are difficult and clinical instructors are crazy, but this one is twice of each.....

if you think that your professors are not going to provide an adequate learning environment then definetly transfer! There are a lot of schools out there that have instructors that love to teach and are very supportive! I love all my profs! They have so much respect for us and they bend over backwards to help us out...

i really think that great profs really make the difference! If you withdrawl (without being 'kicked out') the school shouldn't say anything when you transfer your credits.

I was originally in a different program and I ran into an awful instructor and it made my day miserable! She made it so hard to learn and she made us all think we were less than desirable students (which wasnt true at all!). I transferred and I couldn't be happer, my new program is more demanding but well worth it! I have great profs who are very knowledgable!

It's too bad that we have so many instructors that think that the "intimidation factor" is neccesary...or "weeding out"....sigh...