Georgia Fulton County DA - investigation opened into Trump’s call to overturn election

[NRSKarenRN]

Georgia shenanigans was presented in Trial today.

Now  today Georgia's  AJC reports:

Fulton’s DA opens criminal investigation into Trump attempt to overturn Georgia’s election

NY Times

Prosecutors Open Criminal Inquiry Into Trump’s Efforts to Subvert Election

 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

I hate to be "this guy" but the FBI has determined that there was no evidence of a organized insurrection from "far right groups" or "Trump supporters" to overturn the election. 

Although some groups had plans to breach the capital, there was no evidence to determine there was any plan to take hostages or comit insurrection type attack once in the capital. 

Including Trump or associates (Alex Jones...etc) 

Paraphrased source from Reuters) 

Doesn't make anything Okay and terrible crimes were committed that but facts are facts and context and truth matters. 

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Yeah. That means that the vast majority of the people who attacked the police, pushed past barriers, broke into the capitol building and threatened the VP and SOTH were incited to do so by others.  They were convinced by fiery speeches that the election had been stolen and they needed to take action to stop the steal.  That could very well be a very ominous announcement for the people who riled the mob up, couldn't it?

I'm pretty certain that the context is that Trump started lying about election fraud months before the election.  He pointed fingers at mailed ballots as suspect, he tried to slow the mail itself.  After the election Trump furthered the lies about fraud and tried to pressure state level officials to change the votes or electoral college delegates. Trump incited supporters to DC on 010621 and incited them to violently attack the capitol with the help of Mo Brooks, Don Jr etc. 

Facts and truth do matter. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

Can we both agree that it is sad that we need to now consider the race of a person and their likelihood in being elected? I never considered a person's race or ethnicity in my voting choice before and pledge to never consider race in the future. 

I asked you if you thought Trump was too old and if Trump would back DeSantis.  

[Cclm, LPN]

On 8/22/2021 at 4:36 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah. That means that the vast majority of the people who attacked the police, pushed past barriers, broke into the capitol building and threatened the VP and SOTH were incited to do so by others.  They were convinced by fiery speeches that the election had been stolen and they needed to take action to stop the steal.  That could very well be a very ominous announcement for the people who riled the mob up, couldn't it?

I'm pretty certain that the context is that Trump started lying about election fraud months before the election.  He pointed fingers at mailed ballots as suspect, he tried to slow the mail itself.  After the election Trump furthered the lies about fraud and tried to pressure state level officials to change the votes or electoral college delegates. Trump incited supporters to DC on 010621 and incited them to violently attack the capitol with the help of Mo Brooks, Don Jr etc. 

Facts and truth do matter. 

Okay. I'm wondering tho.... Ho many investigation that turn up nothing will it take for you to belive perhaps he didn't do anything illegal? 

Is that possible for you? Or is the main issue is believing what you want? 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

Okay. I'm wondering tho.... Ho many investigation that turn up nothing will it take for you to belive perhaps he didn't do anything illegal? 

Is that possible for you? Or is the main issue is believing what you want? 

Which investigations turned up nothing? You must be thinking of the years of republican led Benghazi investigations. Either that or you've believed lies by Trump apologists and sycophants. 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/riot-lawsuit-just-part-of-trumps-post-impeachment-problems

 

[chare]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Which investigations turned up nothing? You must be thinking of the years of republican led Benghazi investigations. Either that or you've believed lies by Trump apologists and sycophants. 

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I might have have missed it reading the article.   Exactly how many indictments have been handed down?  And how many civil verdicts have been rendered?

[toomuchbaloney]

57 minutes ago, chare said:

I might have have missed it reading the article.   Exactly how many indictments have been handed down?  And how many civil verdicts have been rendered?

Do you think that indictments are the only evidence of malfeasance or criminal conduct? Maybe you didn't read the Senate investigations or you believed what Barr said about Mueller's report. Nevertheless, this thread is about the illegal and unethical conduct of Trump and his sycophants in just one state. 

I don't expect any indictments...this country rarely holds accountable white men who enjoy wealth and political power.  The pattern is pretty evident.  We even have internal DOJ memos that apparently forward the notion that there can never be indictments of people who have been president.  Imagine holding someone accountable in that sort of a capitalist oligarchy. Heck, half of Congress don't even want to investigate the attempted coup that happened as Biden was preparing to take office. How accountable would we like to pretend these people are?

[Cclm, LPN]

37 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that indictments are the only evidence of malfeasance or criminal conduct? Maybe you didn't read the Senate investigations or you believed what Barr said about Mueller's report. Nevertheless, this thread is about the illegal and unethical conduct of Trump and his sycophants in just one state. 

I don't expect any indictments...this country rarely holds accountable white men who enjoy wealth and political power.  The pattern is pretty evident.  We even have internal DOJ memos that apparently forward the notion that there can never be indictments of people who have been president.  Imagine holding someone accountable in that sort of a capitalist oligarchy. Heck, half of Congress don't even want to investigate the attempted coup that happened as Biden was preparing to take office. How accountable would we like to pretend these people are?

So you avoided the question ........and it's a white man.... or angry white men as you had said in so many other posts.

Common default....."white supremacists.....white nationalist...... " White white white whiteeeeee

How would you react to someone placing a negative attribute based on someone's immutable characteristic to shut down opposite opinions? What if someone refered to  a POC as an angry (fill in color other than white) woman.... 

Nothing would ever change your mind because my friend....You are obsessed with identity politics and exhibit the culture like mentality you attribute to anyone who thinks differently than you! 

 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

7 minutes ago, Cclm said:

So you avoided the question ........and it's a white man.... or angry white men as you had said in so many other posts.

Common default....."white supremacists.....white nationalist...... " White white white whiteeeeee

How would you react to someone placing a negative attribute based on someone's immutable characteristic to shut down opposite opinions? What if someone refered to  a POC as an angry (fill in color other than white) woman.... 

Nothing would ever change your mind because my friend....You are obsessed with identity politics and exhibit the culture like mentality you attribute to anyone who thinks differently than you! 

 

 

I guess you've never heard of ANGRY black women before...LOL...you must not know that blacks have to be careful not to get angry when confronted with bigotry, racism and discrimination...especially women.  When black women get angry that anger is immediately used to paint her as irrational, overly emotional, unreliable, etc.  It's long been a tool of racists.  Funny that you didn't know that white supremacists have used that kind of thinking to diminish blacks since they first brought them here. 

You aren't my friend.  You apparently sympathise with white supremacists and make apologies for their thinking in this country.   I don't hang with people like that.  

[Cclm, LPN]

As far as accountability. The discusting mess where the US takes orders from the Taliban, a racist, evil women and gay person bashing hate group..... The administration has no accountability. Even if you blame the evacuation on Trump 

He would never negotiate with these terrorist. 

Just now, toomuchbaloney said:

I guess you've never heard of ANGRY black women before...LOL...you must not know that blacks have to be careful not to get angry when confronted with bigotry, racism and discrimination...especially women.  When black women get angry that anger is immediately used to paint her as irrational, overly emotional, unreliable, etc.  It's long been a tool of racists.  Funny that you didn't know that white supremacists have used that kind of thinking to diminish blacks since they first brought them here. 

You aren't my friend.  You apparently sympathise with white supremacists and make apologies for their thinking in this country.   I don't hang with people like that.  

That's what I was referring to. It nasty and wrong. No matter the color. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 minute ago, Cclm said:

As far as accountability. The discusting mess where the US takes orders from the Taliban, a racist, evil women and gay person bashing hate group..... The administration has no accountability. Even if you blame the evacuation on Trump 

He would never negotiate with these terrorist. 

Trump was the president who invited the Taliban to Camp David. Trump and Pompeo negotiated the troop withdrawal with the Taliban, not with the Afghanistan government.  

Is there some reason that you don't know this?

[Cclm, LPN]

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

As far as accountability. The discusting mess where the US takes orders from the Taliban, a racist, evil women and gay person bashing hate group..... The administration has no accountability. Even if you blame the evacuation on Trump 

He would never negotiate with these terrorist. 

That's what I was referring to. It nasty and wrong. No matter the color. 

You then say I associate with white supremacists.  When I am saying the complete opposite. Typical....

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Getting back to the topic, Georgia DA has 9 investigators working on this case.

Met the 9 local Georgia investigators who have Donald Trump in their sites

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Fulton County DA Fani Willis built a team to help investigate Donald Trump.

This group is composed of veteran prosecutors, former police officers, and a recent college grad.

Willis has also hired other attorneys outside of the unit that could assist in the case....

Willis’ investigation involves a call Trump made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on January 2. Trump urged Raffensperger to “find” enough votes to overturn the state’s 2020 presidential-election results. 

Willis’ investigation will also scrutinize a phone call that Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican of South Carolina, made to Raffensperger about the 2020 election.

The Fulton County district attorney said she would look into whether Georgia law was violated, as well as charges such as conspiracy and racketeering, according to letters she wrote to state officials in February. ...