Vent: Irritating classmates

hobbes · Mar 12, 2004

Would you like an ugly person caring for you?

Hmmmm...let me think about that? Assuming that this hypothetical ugly person was competent and empathetic I really wouldn't care what she looked like. It's not like I'm going to ask her to have my children or introduce him to my daughter - good grief. With people still thinking like this it's no wonder we are still struggling to overcome predjudices.

emily_rn_03 · Mar 12, 2004

Here is website from a university. It is talking and showing that beatiful people are precieved better. It has pictures:
http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/sozialewahrnehmung/sozialewahrnehmung.htm
Anyway, the notion that beautiful people are just better, that conception is thorough out are society. Would you like an ugly person caring for you?

I decided to look at this "study" and it's actually written in German.. I can't interpret the German language so I don't know if it can be very accountable. That study could be for modeling for all we know and not related to the health field. Along with many other people on this board, good nursing (or any other occupation) has nothing to do with looks, good or bad. As long as they are smart, competent, and empathetic they will succeed. It is so dated for anyone to say that you have to be good looking to be successful. With attitudes like that, we wonder why some people have low self-esteem.

hopefully · Mar 12, 2004

i decided to look at this "study" and it's actually written in german.. i can't interpret the german language so i don't know if it can be very accountable. that study could be for modeling for all we know and not related to the health field. along with many other people on this board, good nursing (or any other occupation) has nothing to do with looks, good or bad. as long as they are smart, competent, and empathetic they will succeed. it is so dated for anyone to say that you have to be good looking to be successful. with attitudes like that, we wonder why some people have low self-esteem.

i did not like the first post because the orginal first message poster wanted everyone to be a "plain jane" in class!

anyway, look at this research done by crediable sources about sucess in the work place and being beautiful:

http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html

[color=#3366cc]the halo effect

research shows attractive people also have more occupational success and more dating experience than their unattractive counterparts.

in society, attractive people tend to be more intelligent, better adjusted, and more popular. this is described as the halo effect - due to the perfection associated with angels. research shows attractive people also have more occupational success and more dating experience than their unattractive counterparts. one theory behind this halo effect is that it is accurate -- attractive people are indeed more successful.

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an alternative explanation for attractive people achieving more in life is that we automatically categorize others before having an opportunity to evaluate their personalities, based on cultural stereotypes which say attractive people must be intrinsically good, and ugly people must be inherently bad. but elliot aronson, a social psychologist at stanford university, believes self-fulfilling prophecies - in which a person't confident self-perception, further perpetuated by healthy feedback from others - may play a role in success as well. aronson suggests, based on the self-fulfilling prophecy that people who feel they are attractive - though not necessarily rated as such - are just as successful as their counterparts who are judged to be good-looking.

whatever the reason, the notion that attractiveness correlates with success still rings true. yet beauty is not always advantageous, for beautiful people, particularly attractive women, tend to be perceived as more materialistic, snobbish, and vain.

for better or worse, the bottom line is that research shows beauty matters; it pervades society and affects how we choose loved ones. thus, striving to appear attractive may not be such a vain endeavor after all. this isn't to say plastic surgery is necessarily the answer. instead, lead a healthy lifestyle that will in turn make you a happier person.

Jrnalist2RNinOR · Mar 12, 2004

Oh - I completely understand the annoying classmate theory...I simply cannot believe how often cell phones ring in class...it is so bothersome

In my math class there are two ditzes that sit in the back of the class and were using their cell phone during class to IM someone - and passing notes - I couldnt believe it :angryfire

Then in my sociology class the guys on the BB team thought it would be cool to talk about the game (all quarter long) finally the prof had a really bad day and almost kicked one of them out of class one day when they were doing it :nono:

emily_rn_03 · Mar 12, 2004

I did not like the first post because the orginal first message poster wanted everyone to be a "plain jane" in class!
Anyway, look at this research done by crediable sources about sucess in the work place and being beautiful:
http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html
I can go both ways regarding the original post to this thread. It is frustrating when students don't take their classes seriously and use it more as a fashion show. I think you should be more presentable in class versus wearing pajamas to class also! However, everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter what any study has argued! In reference to the study that you posted, I did read it because it does intrigue me! I found a paragraph that I noticed was left out of your post but I think this is truly important considering the profession we are in.
"In one study, 70% of college students deemed an instructor physically attractive when he acted in a friendly manner, while only 30% found him attractive when he was cold and distant. Indeed, when surveyed for attributes in selecting a mate, both males and females felt kindness and an exciting personality were more important in a mate than good looks. Thus, to a certain degree, beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder."

hobbes · Mar 12, 2004

i did not like the first post because the orginal first message poster wanted everyone to be a "plain jane" in class!
anyway, look at this research done by crediable sources about sucess in the work place and being beautiful:
http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html
[color=#3366cc]the halo effect

research shows attractive people also have more occupational success and more dating experience than their unattractive counterparts.

in society, attractive people tend to be more intelligent, better adjusted, and more popular. this is described as the halo effect - due to the perfection associated with angels. research shows attractive people also have more occupational success and more dating experience than their unattractive counterparts. one theory behind this halo effect is that it is accurate -- attractive people are indeed more successful.

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an alternative explanation for attractive people achieving more in life is that we automatically categorize others before having an opportunity to evaluate their personalities, based on cultural stereotypes which say attractive people must be intrinsically good, and ugly people must be inherently bad. but elliot aronson, a social psychologist at stanford university, believes self-fulfilling prophecies - in which a person't confident self-perception, further perpetuated by healthy feedback from others - may play a role in success as well. aronson suggests, based on the self-fulfilling prophecy that people who feel they are attractive - though not necessarily rated as such - are just as successful as their counterparts who are judged to be good-looking.

whatever the reason, the notion that attractiveness correlates with success still rings true. yet beauty is not always advantageous, for beautiful people, particularly attractive women, tend to be perceived as more materialistic, snobbish, and vain.

for better or worse, the bottom line is that research shows beauty matters; it pervades society and affects how we choose loved ones. thus, striving to appear attractive may not be such a vain endeavor after all. this isn't to say plastic surgery is necessarily the answer. instead, lead a healthy lifestyle that will in turn make you a happier person.

don't believe everything you read - a healthy dose of skeptism can be a good thing. i, for one, am not going to take for gospel truth the research conclusions of the journal of young investigators, from which the conclusions were drawn. not to belitte the work of undergraduate research, most of which is probably worthwhile, but i feel more comfortable with the conclusions and research of those that have been trained accordingly (i.e. ph.d) and are published in a reputable journal. although, having said that, i do believe as i've state previously, that attractive people do have advantages in that they are able to "get over" much better and don't always have to prove themselves competent like others because some in our society would rather have a pretty face to look at. also, intelligence is not something that is relative. you either are or are not based on whatever measurement you choose. i've yet to see an intelligence test based on how you look or how others perceive your looks.

Sheri257 · Mar 12, 2004

We have to take two psych classes as pre-reqs for the our nursing program. The textbooks did mention studies which found attractive people do have advantages. So I believe there's other research which confirms this.

However, I don't see how attractiveness will help someone through nursing school. These girls might have an advantage with this one teacher, but the bottom line is: They either know the stuff or they don't. If they don't know it, they won't make it in the long run.

AmyLiz · Mar 12, 2004

Wow...didn't realize this thread would get this much interest. I was just venting.

Anyway...

It has been theorized that people perceived to be attractive are perceived as being smarter, etc. I've got a psychology degree & know all about that. There have been countless studies on this. But it's not exactly true 100% of the time. Perception is the key...and it's not always just on looks.

But that's neither here nor there. The fact that these girls are brightly polished for class isn't the main reason they're annoying to me & everyone else. Quite honestly, I'd say the majority of the folks in the class are attractive & well-groomed. Some are more attractive than these gals in question. There aren't but one or two "plain janes" as someone called them. And those gals are really nice & smart. One has the highest grade in class (well above 100% since she does the bonus questions on the tests too).

We had a lab exam last night. I'm over it all really...when the gals were asking all these questions to our instructor, I just smirked & shook my head to myself. Especially when I overheard him say to one of them, "hey, I'm not going to tell you what the answer is, you have to figure that out yourself!"

Only one more week & it's over. :)

SirJohnny · Mar 12, 2004

AmyLiz:

- Who the hell cares!!! Now get back to work hitting the books.

- Seriously, if you are working full-time and taking classes, then you really

should be too busy to worry about these other students.

- I'm a guy, and if you girls want to dress up for class - fine with me. But

I am too busy (full-time job and part-time job and a nightmare micro

class) to even think about flirting with you.

- Unless these kids/girls/whatever are hurting your grade - then just

move on. That's the reality of the situation.

John Coxey

phyrenrain · Mar 12, 2004

EEEEAAASSSSSY there Hopefully....She was only giving descriptions of their appearance to reinforce the fact that it seems the instructor is flattered and indulges their demands for special attention. Her concern with these girls' behavior is the fact that it's impeding on the learning time for the rest of the class. I can totally relate, I've seen people like this when I was in school and can empathize with her frustration. Me thinks your y chromosome is speaking for itself....Jealous? I don't think so.

phyrenrain · Mar 12, 2004

RIGHT ON LIZZ!!!

We have to take two psych classes as pre-reqs for the our nursing program. The textbooks did mention studies which found attractive people do have advantages. So I believe there's other research which confirms this.
However, I don't see how attractiveness will help someone through nursing school. These girls might have an advantage with this one teacher, but the bottom line is: They either know the stuff or they don't. If they don't know it, they won't make it in the long run.

AmyLiz · Mar 12, 2004

The funny thing is that it's not just a girl thing...the guys in the class have had it with them to. How they dress is not the issue...it's the way they act that impedes the class to flow properly.

Anyway...I was just venting anyway originally. At this point in time, I really could care less. The class is about over (only a week left) and I won't have to witness their crap anymore (at least I hope not). I doubt it will be tolerated in the nursing program, so that helps. And honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that everyone else in the class has been complaining about them, I probably wouldn't get near as irritated about it. Guess it's one of those group dynamic things. Usually I let idiots slide off my back & move on. And that's pretty much what I'm doing now. Letting it slide. I was just agitated on Tuesday when I posted this. Nothing more than that. I'll probably end up with a B in the class...it's only the 2nd B I've gotten since going back to school. It won't kill me. I'll still make the deans list...I'm getting an A in my other class that is worth more credit.