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Jun 7, '11Occupation: student From: US ; Joined: Jun '11; Posts: 14; Likes: 2any opinions on whether or not i should take clinical calculations (online) as a prenursing student to prepare for the nursing program starting in aug? i am thinking i will not learn much with it being an online course and that is the reason for taking it ahead of time. should i just teach myself?

Jun 13, '11Joined: Jun '11; Posts: 4Google "self quiz math" and you will find lots of good sites that you can work with


Jul 6, '11Joined: Jun '11; Posts: 70; Likes: 90math tips
mass:unit conversion
mcg → mg → g → kg ( ÷ by 1,000 )
mcg ← mg ← g ← kg ( x by 1,000 )
lb → kg ( ÷ by 2.2 )
lb ← kg ( x by 2.2 )
volume:
mcl → ml → l → kl ( ÷ by 1,000 )
mcl ← ml ← l ← kl ( x by 1,000 )
time:
min → hr ( ÷ by 60 )
min ← hr ( x by 60 )
example: convert 5,000 mcg to mg.
mcg → mg → g → kg ( ÷ by 1,000 )
5,000 mcg ÷ 1,000 = 5 mg
example: convert 44 lb to kg.
lb → kg ( ÷ by 2.2 )
44 lb ÷ 2.2 = 20 kg
example: convert 0.003 l to mcl.
mcl ← ml ← l ← kl ( x by 1,000 )
0.003 l x 1,000 = 3 ml
3 ml x 1,000 = 3,000 mcl
example: convert 5 hours to minutes.
min ← hr ( x by 60 )
5 hr x 60 = 300 min
mass for mass questions
given an amount of mass per tablet, how many tablets do you require?
formula:
ordered
have
= y (tablets required)
example: metroprolol (lopressor), 25 mg po, is ordered. metropolol is available as 50 mg tablets. how many tablets would the nurse administer?
ordered
have
= y (tablets required)
25 mg
50 mg
= 0.5 tablets
example: potassium chloride is available as 10 mg per tablet. potassium chloride (kdur), 40 mg, is ordered. how many tablets would the nurse administer?
ordered
have
= y (tablets required)
40 mg
10 mg
= 4 tablets
mass/liquid for liquid questions
given an amount of mass per liquid, how much liquid do you require?
formula:
ordered
have
x volume per have
= y (liquid required)
example: phenytoin (dilantin), 0.1 g po, is ordered to be given through a nasogastric tube. phenytoin is available as 30 mg / 5 ml. how much would the nurse administer?
ordered
have
x volume per have
= y (liquid required)
convert 0.1 g to mg.
mcg ← mg ← g ← kg ( x by 1,000 )
0.1 g x 1,000 = 100 mg
100 mg
30 mg
x 5 ml
= 16.7 ml
example: ordered lasix 40 mg iv push now. available: 80 mg in 1 ml. how much will the nurse draw up?
ordered
have
x volume per have
= y (liquid required)
40 mg
80 mg
x 1 ml
= 0.5 ml
amount in iv fluid questions
given a volume of iv fluid and a dosage expressed in percent, what is the mass of a particular dosage?
formula:
concentration %
100
x volume (ml) = y (dosage amount in g)
example: calculate the amount of dextrose in 1000 ml d5w.
concentration %
100
x volume (ml) = y (dosage amount in g)
5%
100
x 1000 ml = 50 g
example: calculate the amount of sodium chloride in 2000 ml ns.
recall ns is 0.9% nacl (sodium chloride)
concentration %
100
x volume (ml) = y (dosage amount in g)
0.9%
100
x 2000 ml = 18 g
volume/time  iv ml rate questions
given a certain amount of liquid and a time period, what is the necessary iv flow rate in ml/hr? measurement used when iv regulated electronically by infusion pump.
formula:
volume (ml)
time (hr)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
example: infuse 250 ml over the next 120 minutes by infusion pump.
volume (ml)
time (hr)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
convert 120 minutes to hours.
min → hr ( ÷ by 60 )
120 min ÷ 60 = 2 hr
250 ml
2 hr
= 125 ml/hr
example: ordered 1000 ml d5w iv to infuse in 10 hours by infusion pump.
volume (ml)
time (hr)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
1000 ml
10 hr
= 100 ml/hr
volume/time  iv drop rate questions
given a certain amount of liquid, a time period, and a drop factor (gtts/ml), what is the necessary iv flow rate in gtts/min? measurement used when iv is regulated manually. because it is not possible to give a patient a fraction of a drop, it is typical to round answers for these problems up or down to the nearest whole number.
formula:
volume (ml)
time (min)
x drop factor (gtts/ml) = y (flow rate in gtts/min)
example: calculate the iv flow rate for 1200 ml of ns to be infused in 6 hours. the infusion set is calibrated for a drop factor of 15 gtts/ml.
volume (ml)
time (min)
x drop factor (gtts/ml) = y (flow rate in gtts/min)
convert 6 hours to minutes.
min ← hr ( x by 60 )
6 hr x 60 = 360 min
1200 ml
360 min
x 15 gtts/ml = 50 gtts/min
example: calculate the iv flow rate for 200 ml of 0.9% nacl iv over 120 minutes. infusion set has drop factor of 20 gtts/ml.
volume (ml)
time (min)
x drop factor (gtts/ml) = y (flow rate in gtts/min)
200 ml
120 min
x 20 gtts/ml = 33 gtts/min
fluid maintenance requirement questions
given the weight of a child or infant, calculate the necessary amount of fluid per day. different hospitals may have different policies, but for learning how to perform these pediatric dosage calculations, the following commonly used table of fluid requirements may be used.
weight range
required daily fluid
010 kg
100 ml per kg
1020 kg
1,000 ml + 50 ml per each kg above 10 kg
2070 kg
1,500 ml + 20 ml per each kg above 20 kg
over 70 kg
2,500 ml (adult requirement)
example: an infant weighs 4 kg. what is the required amount of fluid per day in ml?
010 kg
100 ml per kg
4 kg x 100 ml/kg = 400 ml
example: an infant weighs 30.8 lb. what is the required iv flow rate in ml/hr to maintain proper fluid levels?
convert 30.8 lb to kg.
lb → kg ( ÷ by 2.2 )
30.8 lb ÷ 2.2 = 14 kg
1020 kg
1,000 ml + 50 ml per each kg above 10kg
14 kg  10 kg = 4 kg (there are 4 kg over 10 kg).
1,000 ml + (50 ml/kg x 4 kg) = 1,200 ml/day
this is now an ordinary iv flow rate  ml rate question. the required volume is 1,200 ml and the time is one day.
volume (ml)
time (hr)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
there are 24 hours in one day.
1 day x 24 = 24 hr
1,200 ml
24 hr
= 50 ml/hr
dosage by weight questions
given the weight of a patient and a dosage specified in terms of weight, calculate the necessary dosage. these problems are a type of pediatric dosage calculations.
formula:
weight in kg * dosage per kg
= y (required dosage)
example: a doctor orders 200 mg of rocephin to be taken by a 15.4 lb infant every 8 hours. the medication label shows that 75150 mg/kg per day is the appropriate dosage range. is this doctor's order within the desired range?
weight in kg * dosage per kg
= y (required dosage)
convert 15.4 lb to kg.
lb → kg ( ÷ by 2.2 )
15.4 lb ÷ 2.2 = 7 kg
7 kg * 75 mg/kg
= 525 mg (minimum desired dosage)
7 kg * 150 mg/kg
= 1,050 mg (maximum desired dosage)
24 hours in one day and the medication is ordered every 8 hours.
24 hrs / 8 hrs = 3 times per day doctor ordered medication
200 * 3 = 600 mg ordered per day
600 mg is within the desired range of 5251,050 mg
yes doctor has ordered a dosage within the desired range.
example: solumedrol 1.5 mg/kg is ordered for a child weighing 74.8 lb. solumedrol is available as 125 mg / 2ml. how many ml must the nurse administer?
weight in kg * dosage per kg
= y (required dosage)
convert 74.8 lb to kg.
lb → kg ( ÷ by 2.2 )
74.8 lb ÷ 2.2 = 34 kg
34 kg * 1.5 mg/kg
= 51 mg
this is now an ordinary mass/liquid for liquid question. 51 mg is ordered and the medication is available as 125 mg / 2 ml.
ordered
have
x volume per have
= y (liquid required)
51 mg
125 mg
x 2 ml
= 0.82 ml
mass/time  iv ml rate questions
give an order in quantity of mass per time, determine the necessary iv flow rate in ml/hr based on the given mass per volume. these types of problems are often used in critical care nursing.
formula:
ordered per hour
have
x volume (ml)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
example: give patient 500 mg of dopamine in 250 ml of d5w to infuse at 20 mg/hr. calculate the flow rate in ml/hr.
ordered per hour
have
x volume (ml)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
20 mg/hr
500 mg
x 250 ml
= 10 ml/hr
example: aggrastat at 12.5 mg in 250 ml is prescribed to be infused at a rate of 6 mcg/kg/hr in a patient who weighs 100 kg. at what flow rate in ml/hr will you set the pump?
ordered per hour
have
x volume (ml)
= y (flow rate in ml/hr)
the first step is to convert the order per time to the amount required for this particular patient. this is a dosage by weight question. 100 kg is the weight in kg and 6 mcg/kg/hr is a dosage in terms of kg.
weight in kg * dosage per kg
= y (required dosage)
100 kg * 6 mcg/kg/hr
= 600 mcg/hr
convert 600 mcg/hr to mg/hr.
mcg → mg → g → kg ( ÷ by 1,000 )
600 ÷ 1,000 = 0.6 mg/hr
0.6 mg/hr
12.5 mg
x 250 ml
= 12 ml/hr

Jul 12, '11Joined: Jul '11; Posts: 236; Likes: 139Awesome Unit Conversions sheet! It even has examples! Thank you for this as I'm starting nursing school in three weeks!

Jul 12, '11Joined: Jun '11; Posts: 70; Likes: 90You are so welcome....wish you the best of luck......

Aug 1, '11Joined: Jul '11; Posts: 18; Likes: 1hi, i am a first year rn student...i am an older lady and i have been out of school for a little while now lol...i have always had a problem with math. as far as basic math, no problem..i just get confused where and how to plug the numbers in at. and with word problems, i try to plug every number in whether it is relevant or not. can someone please help me with this nursing math problem. i have the answer due to the answer sheet, but i need to be shown step by step how to work this problem out. any help will be greatly appreciated. it may seem very easy to some people, but it just doesn't click with me...
the order is for 1000 ml of 5% dextrose in water to run at 250ml/hr. how many drops per minute should the iv infuse (60gtt/ml set)?
question is: do i set it up like this: 250ml/60minutes * 60gtt/ml? if so the 60 will cross each other out leaving 250 gtt/ml? i know this is totally wrong!! do you put the 1000 ml into the equation? i guess you can see now how very confused i am! 
Aug 1, '11Occupation: Psych Nurse Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Psych ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '10; Posts: 771; Likes: 1,046actually it comes out to 250 gtt/min

Aug 1, '11Occupation: Clinical Nurse IV / Nurse Clinician Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Emergency, Critical Care (CEN, CCRN) ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 281; Likes: 342Quote from fostersgirl69don't worry about it, we're glad to help out.the order is for 1000 ml of 5% dextrose in water to run at 250ml/hr. how many drops per minute should the iv infuse (60gtt/ml set)?
question is: do i set it up like this: 250ml/60minutes * 60gtt/ml? if so the 60 will cross each other out leaving 250 gtt/ml? i know this is totally wrong!! do you put the 1000 ml into the equation? i guess you can see now how very confused i am!
all infusionrate problems have a similar setup; the trick is picking out which numbers you need to plug in where. the common formula is: (vtbi x df) / t, where vtbi is volume to be infused (ml), df is drop factor (gtt/ml), and t is time (min). taking this example, since you're infusing 250 ml per hour, you've just about done it right: (250 x 60) / 60 = 250 gtt/min. the total volume is irrelevant in this case, since you already know volume per hour. (you'd only use total volume if you were told, say, to run 1000 ml over 4 hours.)
however, there is a shortcut, and you already hit upon it in your post. microdrop tubing always has a drop factor of 60 gtt/ml, and thus the infusion rate per hour will always be the same as the drops per minute (the 60s cancel out). handy little timesaver.
hope this helps! 
Sep 9, '11Joined: Sep '11; Posts: 128; Likes: 73Quote from daytonite"do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics. i can assure you mine are still greater."
albert einstein
general math help:
 http://amby.com/educate/math/  a basic math tutorial
 http://www.academictips.org/acad/mathematics/index.html  advice on how to study math
 http://library.thinkquest.org/20991/home.html  math for morons like us
 http://www.webmath.com/  webmath.com
 http://www.aaamath.com/  aaa math.com. basic math
 http://www.xpmath.com/
 http://www.math.com/homeworkhelp/basicmath.html
 http://www.sweethaven.com/sweethaven...ns/fracs03.asp fractions
 http://www.mathleague.com/help/fract...mplexfractions  everything you want to know about fractions
 http://www.visualfractions.com/  visual fractions tutorials
 http://www.freeed.net/freeed/math/...01/default.asp  prealgebra
 http://www.mathleague.com/help/fractions/fractions.htm  this web page has everything you want to know about fractions
 http://www.visualfractions.com/  visual fractions tutorials
 http://www.aaamath.com/fra.html  tutorials on working with fractions
 http://www.algebrahelp.com/  algebra.help
 http://www.purplemath.com/modules/index.htm  purplemath practical algebra lessons
 http://www.algebralab.org/practice/practice.aspx  algebra lab
 http://www.learner.org/resources/series66.html  algebra lessons on video
 http://www.wtamu.edu/academic/anns/mps/math/mathlab/col_algebra/index.htm  college algebra online tutorial
 http://64.78.42.182/freeed/math/algebra/algebra01_vidlect.asp  26 half hour video lectures in college level algebra
 http://www.waybuilder.net/freeed/math/prealg02/prealg01_tbk.asp  shockwave lectures in algebra
medication calculation help and practice problems you can work:
 http://www.m2hnursing.com/medcal/index.php  medication calculation tutorial  you do not have to register to go through the tutorial
 http://www.accd.edu/sac/nursing/math/default.html
 http://www.adn.eku.edu/doc/math.pdf  fundamentals of mathematics for nursing (tutorial)
 powerpoint: very basic math review to know to do drug calculations: http://www.templejc.edu/dept/ems/doc...lculations.ppt
 http://www.dosagehelp.com/
 http://wps.prenhall.com/chet_olsen_medicaldosage_9/  companion website for medical dosage calculations, 9th edition, by june looby olsen, anthony p. giangrasso, dolores m. shrimpton, and patricia dillon.
 http://www.unc.edu/~bangel/quiz/quiz5.htm
 http://www.alysion.org/dimensional/analysis.htm  medication math for the nursing student
 http://academic.cuesta.edu/nursing/math.htm  bonnie and jill's practical approach to dosage calculations
 [font=arial unicode ms]http://www.msumedcalc.com/index.html  dosage calculations for nurses
 http://www.testandcalc.com/quiz/index.asp
 http://www.oaklandcc.edu/nursing/doc...l2practice.pdf
 http://www.nursesaregreat.com/articles/drugcal.htm  brush up on your drug calculation skills
 http://www.geocities.com/heartland/v...v/clcltns.html  iv calculations quiz
 pediatrics
 http://www.lww.com/promos1/karch/images/05karch.pdf  tutorial
 http://www.pharmacyexam.com/news/calculation.pdf  conversion chart
 http://www.bioscience.org/atlases/cl...m/nomogram.htm  nomograms for cildren and adults
 http://www.medindia.net/doctors/clinical_cal/bmi.asp  bmi calculator
 http://www.globalrph.com/bsa.cgi  bsa calculator
 http://www.halls.md/bodysurfacearea/refs.htm  body surface area (bsa) formulas
 http://www.manuelsweb.com/bsa.htm  body surface area (bsa) calculator
 where to find nomograms: they are in taber's cyclopedic medical dictionary in the b's listings under "body surface area"
 http://home.hiwaay.net/~theholt1/nur...osagework.htm
 http://www.convertme.com/en/  convert me.com
 http://www.tostepharmd.net/pharm/cli...asurement.html
 http://www.nursecenter.com/studentnurse/nur11.html  nursing formulas and conversions. includes a formula on how to do iv calculations
 http://wps.prenhall.com/chet_ramont_....cw/index.html
 http://www.accd.edu/sac/nursing/math/mathindex2.html  scroll to the bottom of this home page of this med calc tutorial. see the menu item that says "common conversion factors/equivalencies"? click the button next to it that says "go read" a conversion chart comes up for you
 http://www.apples4theteacher.com/tem...onversion.html  celcius, farenheti, kelvin temperature conversion tables
 http://www.halls.md/bodysurfacearea/refs.htm  body surface area (bsa) formulas
 http://www.manuelsweb.com/bsa.htm  body surface area (bsa) calculator
 where to find nomograms: they are in taber's cyclopedic medical dictionary in the b's listings under "body surface area"
statistics links can be found on post #46 of this thread.
ok that last link you posted took me to a demonstration on a*al sex. im not kidding. 
Sep 11, '11Occupation: Student, wife, and Mom of 3, and that is plenty! From: US ; Joined: May '07; Posts: 900; Likes: 298Quote from BrookericksSnThe original poster of this message past away last year, but I checked the link and it gave me a failure URL so hopefully it won't work anymore!ok that last link you posted took me to a demonstration on A*al sex. im not kidding.

Sep 11, '11Joined: Sep '11; Posts: 128; Likes: 73im sorry about that
I clicked on it and it gave me a failure url with links under that for **** sex.
very strange.
But im sure it happens. URLs change all the time 
Sep 13, '11Occupation: Patient Service Associate Specialty: None still a student ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 108; Likes: 23not sure if my answer is correct because i have been getting different ones everytime i calculate
a patient has an order for 1/2 strength pulmocare tube feedings, at 50 ml/hr through a peg tube. the nurse prepares the dilute formula and has a total volume of 475 ml. according to and has a total volume of 475 ml. according to hospital policy, only 4 hours of tube feeding formula can be hung at a time, to minimize bacterial growth. how many ml of the prepared 1/2strength formula will the nurse use?
this is how i set up the problem
1/2 = 475 ml/x
(2 x 475) = x
950 ml = x
950475 = 475 ml
the back of the book says 200 ml am i doing something wrong or not pulling out enough of the proper information. sometimes i tend to do that
here is another problem i am having
the nurse is instructing a patient to take diflucan 40 mg oral suspension at home. how many tsp will the nurse instruct the patient to take per dose?
the label reads 35 ml when reconstituted; 40 mg/ml; add 24 ml of distilled water or purified water to the bottle shake well; this package contains 1400 mg fluoconazole in a natural orangeflavored mixture
how would i go about solving this problem?
thank you