Why LPN?? - page 4

i often wondered why some people choose to become an lpn verses an rn, or why go for a 2 year program and just not go for 2 more years to get your bs? especially with the threatened lpn layoffs, the... Read More

  1. by   duckie
    Suzy K...I am an LPN of many years and I'd just like to say I was not in the least bit offended in your post. That is why I responded with my earlier post as I did. I felt you were asking a question that you truly wanted an answer to. Can't we all just give her the benefit of the doubt and stop brow-beating her??? Isn't that what this board is for, to ask questions?
  2. by   ornurse2001
    I have been in nursing for 20 years-first a nurse assistant, then an LPN for 12 years, now I am an RN(AAS)I became pregnant at age 13, and dropped out of school in the eighth grade to get married and have this baby.I proceeded to have 2 other children before age 19 for a total of 3 children.When I started looking at going to school after getting a GED, I was very disappointed to learn that I needed a great deal of general education classes in order to become an RN, since I missed these by not going to high school.Becoming an LPN first allowed me a stepping stone into a higher income brackett to support my children, and gave me an acedemic basis to work from.I was able to support my family rather well with an LPN salary, and held a variety of positions giving me varied experience-I worked in a hospital float pool, ER, OB, Newborn Nursery, ICU, CCU,OR, was a patient care coordinator in a long term care facility and was ACLS and PALS certified back when ACLS was a difficult feat to accomplish- all while being an LPN.I never had any difficulty obtaining positions that afforded me opportunity to use my practical skills and earn a fair living.Once locked into satisfying positions, I found it difficult to make going back to school a priority until my sons became teenagers, at which time I did become an RN, because getting there was always my long term goal.I am making more money, and there are broader job opportunities for RN's than LPN's, but would not trade the years of experiences I obtained as an LPN, and I believe that there are varied reasons why each of us choose our separate paths to what we feel is our acedemic success.There is a place for all of us in the health care arena, and every job is important.Also, there was discussion about "phasing out" LPN's back when I went to school, and it hasn't happened yet.With the current media attention to the worldwide nursing shortages in various areas-I feel it is unlikely, and even if it were to happen, I think there would be a "grandfathering" system that would maintain our currently practicing LPN's-which I feel would be appropriate.

  3. by   lkushen
    Just something I have to say. As an RN who started out the ADN route and went on for my BSN, and am starting my MSN in the fall, having worked with a variety of healthcare providers, from RNs, LPNs, nursing assistants (with whatever proper name your facilty calls them), and nurse practioners -- we are all here for one main objective - the care of the patient - in whatever setting.

    If you open yourself up to it, in the nursing profession, we can all learn from each other, even across the different levels of skill, education, and years of experience. Don't make it a competition. It is really individualized - you can have a really awesome LPN, and an overseeing RN that frankly can suck! I have heard more than one RN make the statement that they learned more from an experienced LPN when they started out. Personally, I appreciate the help I can get from whatever nursing professional is there for me and my patient. I work in critical care, though mostly dominated by RNs, we do utilize some LPNs and aides as well. I'd rather have them than not!

    Remember, in the nursing profession, we all need to mentor each other...for the sake of the patient. That's what we are here for, after all, isn't it?
  4. by   davisll
    Originally posted by Susy K:
    I often wondered why some people choose to become an LPN verses an RN, or why go for a 2 year program and just not go for 2 more years to get your BS? Especially with the threatened LPN layoffs, the lower pay, the limited employment choices. Is it money? Is it wanting to get your ability to work sooner? Please enlighten me. Thanks.
    First of all some of us LPN's chose to be LPN's because we are want to get our feet in the door while waiting to get in the RN program or because we want to try out nursing to see if that is what we choose as a career. In my case I was 26 when I went back to school and wanted to make sure that's what I wanted to do, and the RN program was full with a long waiting list, now almost 8 years later I wish I had went on and finished school, because money is not there now to go back. As for being an LPN I love it and I wish people like you would stop dragging us down, there are just as many good LPN's as RN's. As a matter of fact, most of the RN's that come out of a BSN program know little or nothing in the clinical field. As for the ADN program I know several ADN RN's who I trust more than BSN RN's they have more clinical skills. Don't judge people just because they don't have the same title as you, some of us are just as good.

  5. by   Q.
    Oh please, Davis - for the last, ******* time I DID NOT PUT DOWN LPNS AND I DID NOT ANYWHERE STATE THAT I AM BETTER FOR BEING AN RN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry Stargazer, if you read this, for the all caps. My eyes bleed too
  6. by   Brownms46
    Susy K,

    I understood your post, and as I said in my original post, it was refreshing to see someone ask, and not assume. I had no problem with you asking. I was only commenting on the "possible" rational, concerning the harsh responses your post received. I don't feel, that those posts were in response you, but to the old RN vs LPN debate. I "think", many saw this as the same ole same ole. You can't understand something if you don't ask. That is the reason, I went into a little more than I really wanted to, in my original post. It was an effort to help you, AND others understand my reasoning for not becoming an RN. I understand it even more after your very detailed description of your particular setting. You observations of the LPN, who finds herself frustrated in her current setting, was very enlightening. Being an older, (not always wiser) person, I can understand why this person, may not be able or willing to go back to school. This makes me sad for her. Sometimes it takes being frustrated to make a change, and hopefully she will find the encouragement, and the strength she needs to break out of whatever is holding her back from her goals.

    Susy K, I would like to say, I believe, that you have great heart, as it took that, to not walk away from this discussion. You asked an unpopluar question, and stayed around to get the answers. Even though I disagreed with the way you responded to two posters, as I don't believe they were referring to you, personally, you did respond! To me, you're A OK!

    To the RNs, LPN/LVNS who joined in this discussion, I'm glad see so many become involved in responding to this question, with positive posts concerning LPN/LVNs. By posting, you may have encouraged others to expand their knowledge, and maybe start thinking, they can do much more in this profession than they thought. To those who were offended by Susy K's posts, I understood why you posted as you did. But "I" believe Susy K's post, started with curiosity on her part, but I'm sure it will end with others being more informed because of your imput. Thank you!

  7. by   Squeeta2
    Wow!! I read through all of the posts on this highly volatile post & can see points on both sides. For the record I am an LPN who works on a CCU-VENT Unit in NY & I can do everything an RN can do except hang blood & first time IV Med bags (Funny when the reaction almost always comes with the second bag huh?) I do NOT need an RN as a co-signer on my assessments & charting as I have my own license & I am frequently called upon to act as the charge nurse when an RN is ill. Most of the time the RNs are all consumed with doing assessments & DRs rounds. I hafta say I don't get it..when they aren't there I have to do the SAME things assessments,charting, DR rounds, lifting orders PLUS my regular duties Meds, treatments,callbells,families-we all know how time consuming that can be!! LOL, assisting the CNAs with Pt care etc.I often stay late to assist the RNs finish up there paperwork But NEVER has any of them asked if all the Tx's were done or offered to stay when they knew they weren't.Before anyone asks yes I did mention this at the last unit meeting & was rewarded by the silent tx by a few of the Rns for awhile.Many times I have had an RN leave a Pts room to tell me that if I see a CNA so & so's urinal needs to be emptied??!! Then I go in & empty it..It is this "superior"attitude that we find distasteful.However, I fully understand that they chose to go to school longer & should be compensated as such.More education = higher pay period. I myself am going back to school this May for my RN. Why? Respect & more of a voice. The $$ won't either. Susy K. is right if we do the work why not get paid for it? On the Layoff issue, as I said I'm in NY & nowhere near me have there even been the slightest hint of LPNs getting the boot, there is just to much of a shortage in Nursing.
  8. by   sherrybaby
    I would like to reply to the RN who wants to know why we go the LPN/LVN route. I was a single mother of 3 small children working for $5.00 and hour in a hospital in a dead end job. I was able to take one year off of work and go to school. What did I choose? The LPN course offered at my local community college, because it offered me the chance to double my income and only be off work for one year. I am currently working as a LVN in Texas in a clinic where we have 12 doctors/I am in the position of Clinic UR nurse. I would love to go back to get my degree, but am not able to take off work at this time. So I hope this helps you to understand. Sometimes it is just time restrictions, single parents wanting a better life for their kids in the least amount of time possible. I have worked in many different positions. My most memorable job was working at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. I was trained to administer chemo and do most of the same things the RN did. I really loved it.

  9. by   theboss
    after reading all the responses to suzy k including myself would like to say that, it wasnt her question that has recieved all the heated reponses. although it could have been worded and asked differently. it was the rude, condecending, unproffesional, uneducated,childish, and oh let me say down right rude.. ect,ect, way that she responded to the relpys that she has received, and one of the responses wasnt even directed to her it was towards c.lo so she set herself up for heated debate...i would like to appologize for not including c.lo in my 1st response and just singling out suzy k because her 1st response was uncalled for...i would like to suggest that calling your state board or any state board for that matter and educating yourself instead of just assuming everything is the same all over the world, that does seem awefully nieve..i have met and worked with awesome rns ,lpns and bad ones of both and there is no confusion to the fact that there is no prejudice there...there has been some great responses to lpns and i want those of you to know that it is appreciated and respected...thankyou for listening THE BOSS!! (SORRY BLEEDING EYES IN CANADA) couldnt help it !!!
  10. by   camos
    FIRST OFF, in my state (LA)the ADN program is just about 1 yr. shy, maybe a little bit more)of a BSN. The only difference is a couple of HUMANITIES courses. We take the same Psychology courses and most of the english courses, and ALL of the NURSING and SCIENCE courses BSN nurses take, the only difference is, we are not in school quite as long. My reason for "not just sticking it out a little longer" happens to be I have a family, and need to actually start working before they starve to death, so before you start putting your foot in your big mouth, remember NOT everyone is in the same shoes as you.

    Originally posted by Susy K:
    I often wondered why some people choose to become an LPN verses an RN, or why go for a 2 year program and just not go for 2 more years to get your BS? Especially with the threatened LPN layoffs, the lower pay, the limited employment choices. Is it money? Is it wanting to get your ability to work sooner? Please enlighten me. Thanks.
  11. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by kjmta57:
    wow this could go on forever.Well for you lpn/lvn that are tired of RNS putting you down.I am a LVN in a California state prison.We are also peace officers so our first line supervisor is a Lvn/peace officer also.And no the doctors are not our supervisor either.Yes we do follow their orders but we controll the clinics because we are responsible for their safety. What is interesting I am a MTA (thats our title)supervisor,and guess what? There is two RNS that work under me.Do we all work well togeather,very much so.Why are the rns getting in this classification?money and benifits.And yes we're recruiting for Lvns very much so as I speak.We are looking at hiring over 150 in the next year if we are luckey enough to get them.No one here is better or smarter then anyone else.I have 2 license by the state and we all work as a a team,and there is over 1000 employees to deal with.I guess because we know when the chips are down it isnt going to matter who you are from cna,Lvn,Rn you will play a much needed role possibly saving your partners life.I make 4600 a month with full benifits,4 weeks of paid vacation,holiday,etc.
    I have to give it to you kjmta57! I tried a stint in Springfield prison, in Springville, Al., and I was scared silly! Just didn't have what it took to work there. I have many correction officer friends, although I don't envy your position, but ummm....the money sounds great! But, I think this chicken will stay put where she is...LOL!

  12. by   Q.
    God, let it DIE already.............

    [This message has been edited by Susy K (edited March 30, 2001).]
  13. by   puzzler
    Have not been here for a while--what a posting to see on my return.

    Guess I could say "been there, done that."

    Got my LPN in 1976. Three children, a husband, and never enough money. Where I went to school they needed LPN's and the tuition was free. Imagine that!!!

    After a couple of years of doing essentially the same work (with very few exceptions)as the RNs, I became irritated that some RN's were, shall I say less knowledgable than I but making more money. So I went back to school part time to get my RN. (Still 3 children and a husband)

    Today, I am in middle management and I thank God every day for our LPN's. I seriously do not know what I/we and the patients would do without them.

    Our patients require all of us to see that they receive the care that they deserve. I have encountered many, many LPN's that I would much rather have caring for me or my family than some RN's that I have been been exposed to.

    There are both good and poor LPNs as well as RNs. The problems of LPN vs RN always arises when a nursing glut appears and heaven knows we are not at that point these days.

    If you are an LPN or know of an LPN desiring to work in a hospital PLEASE SEND THEM TO US--we need and want you.

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