Why are Newbies Such Whiners? - page 11
catchy title, eh? right up there with "why are nurses such backstabbers" (assuming that all nurses are backstabbers) and "nurses eat their young" and "why are nurses so mean?" i don't know about... Read More
Jan 28, '07Joined: Apr '05; Posts: 266; Likes: 194What I think is interesting is that one nurse can think that you are doing really well, catch on quickly, are good with your patients and conscientious with your charting, meds etc. and the next one can berate you to no end. I think it has more to do with their perception of themselves, and their comfort level with what they know and can do. As in anything in life, humility goes a long way, and even the nurses with 30 years experience don't know everything, and haven't seen everything. What matters is how you accept new members of the team, do you treat them like they are a hindrence that you will have to "carry", or do you foster their knowledge and growth?
I met one nurse a year or so ago who at first seemed really prickly, negative etc. but when I got to know her, I realized she was only like that because she got tired of listening to her coworkers who really didn't know as much as they thought they did. She was actually patient and kind when it came to teaching me or watching me do a procedure, and she trusted me with the things she knew I could do already, not watching me like a hawk so that she could jump on me if I made a mistake. In turn, I was comfortable going to her when I had a question, and didn't feel like I was under the microscope all the time.
On that same unit, there were a few who never made eye contact or said hello, for six months. So cut us newbies some slack, sometimes we don't know what we are gonna get from the experienced RNs, and it can feel like walking on egg shells.
Jan 28, '07Occupation: ER Specialty: ER/AMS/OPD/UC ; Joined: Dec '06; Posts: 82; Likes: 16I dont whine.......I vent!:roll
Jan 28, '07Occupation: ER Nurse Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in Med/Surge, ER ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 136; Likes: 9I've been on both sides, and it seems to me that preceptors only want what is best for their orientee. I am thankful that my preceptor 7 years ago was tough on me, it made me a better nurse. The fact of the matter is, when you're precepting a new grad, you're responsible for his/her actions, so its necessary for you as the preceptor to critique every action of that new grad.
Feb 5, '07Occupation: Ambidextrous wiper Specialty: He who hesitates is probably right... ; From: US ; Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 454; Likes: 264Quote from ruby veemight be sexist, but it is accurate :d . i call 'em like i see 'em, ruby.[font="comic sans ms"]i say that labelling women as whiners and backstabbers is not only a sexist comment, it does nothing to advance the discussion. furthermore, it intimates that you have marginal respect for an entire gender and the majority of a profession.
Feb 5, '07Occupation: Nurse Specialty: Neuro, Critical Care ; Joined: Apr '05; Posts: 1,562; Likes: 112Quote from rn/writerNot all women.Women come equipped with a natural inclination to caretake, fix, cover, compromise, and generally do whatever it takes to make things better. The fly in the ointment is that there will always be those--
Quote from rn/writerI don't agree. I think concentrating on how we as a person can change our own situation would be more profitable to our profession.For that reason, the inhumane treatment of nurses might improve a bit if there were more men in the field. Not that every man has the ability to say no (or that no women do), only that fewer men have a guilt button to push.
Quote from rn/writerI think i've said this more than once lol.They are more likely to say, "Not enough pepople to cover the week? Not my problem. Hire more staff."
Quote from rn/writerTrue. We can all learn from others. I understand that not all men or women can't say no, but, I guess I just don't see it as that concrete. I don't neccesarily think it's gender related. I don't see it as most men are this way and most women are this way. I see the situation as most people react this way and some react that way. I am one of those people who have no problem saying noNeither men nor women are better, just different. And this is one area where we women can learn something from our brothers (there's plenty they can learn from us as well)..
Quote from rn/writerExactly!! Agreed!Respect and regard start in your own head and heart. If you don't set limits and stick to them, why should anyone else honor them?
Feb 5, '07Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,582; Likes: 17,342Quote from scrubsnhugsRNMe too! I have a joke at work "I don't whine......I (well it's a TOS violation rule, but it begins with a b) :rollI dont whine.......I vent!:roll
Feb 5, '07Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,582; Likes: 17,342Quote from K98Might be sexist, but it is ACCURATE . I call 'em like I see 'em, Ruby.
I have to allow you your vision of the world while respectfully saying that vision is hurtful to our profession and INACCURATE!
I call them as I see them too. Maybe we're looking at different pictures.Last edit by Tweety on Feb 5, '07
Feb 5, '07Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 38,771; Likes: 16,374Some vision needs correcting. What we see is not always what IS.
Feb 5, '07Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,008Quote from K98Might be sexist, but it is ACCURATE . I call 'em like I see 'em, Ruby.
Can't judge a book by its cover....
Feb 5, '07Occupation: RN Joined: May '06; Posts: 278; Likes: 41For the preceptors who are hard on their orientees - there's a difference between challenging an orientee, and being degrading, condescending and cruel.
Orientees should be challenged a bit - we need to learn. But some preceptors are inpatient, roll their eyes, "tattle" about the orientee to other employees, etc. Now THATS juvenile behavior.
I was treated so poorly as an orientee that I lost all confidence and almost left nursing altogether. That kind of "being hard" on an orientee only hurts the future of our profession.
If you feel the urge to complain so much about new nurses, maybe you shouldn't precept. Leave it to the other nurses who are more compassionate.
Feb 5, '07Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 14,198; Likes: 59,491Quote from k98[font="comic sans ms"]then there's something wrong with your vision. i'm sorry for you.might be sexist, but it is accurate :d . i call 'em like i see 'em, ruby.
Feb 5, '07Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience ; From: US ; Joined: Dec '06; Posts: 15; Likes: 1ok I Just graduated one month ago.............I managed to pass the Nclex....now I have the interview.......getting ready to be tossed into the deep end of the pool.I can't swim....during my first clinical rotation most of the nurses I encountered were pretty miserable. I thought about quitting because I thought that nurses were supposed to LOVE their job. when I figured out that they were always short staffed and under equipped, well who wouldn't be grumpy,that and a bunch of starry eyed students underfoot!I learned to just observe and jump in with an extra pair of hand if needed.I went on to diffferent sites and had different experiences. Some great,some just ok.I do realize that even though I managed to retain the info long enough to become licensed........I am so not feeling ready for this,yet I feel as if I am supposed to go in their and know what I am doing!AAAAAhhhhh.....so...what is a newbie to do? Don't want to come off like a complete idiot,but don't want to be an arrogant whiner! Any advise?? please!!!
Feb 5, '07Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 43; Likes: 10I am a very new newbie, considering I am still a student (12 weeks left!) Anyway...I think that this unprofessional behavior comes from lack of experience working in healthcare. There are many nursing students in my class that I cannot fathom in my wildest dreams are going to make it as nurses. These are the students that are just out of high school, honor students, etc that know all the textbooks front and back but lack so much in human interaction and actual nursing. I have been in the field for 12 years and I think that if it were required to have some healthcare experience prior to entering nursing school, this lack of respect for the nurses who have paved the way for the newbies would not exist. I know that I have the utmost respect for anyone above me and I am eager to learn th right way to be a nurse. So thank you to all of the "veterans" reading this!