Understanding the Risk of Firearms: Suicide vs. Homicide - page 4

If you watch the news or TV shows, you might be led to believe that there is a high risk of firearm homicide. Researchers from Northeastern University, University of Washington, and Harvard... Read More

  1. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Emergent
    Apparently our world views on what would improve the mental health of society diverge here. I personally believe that unhealthy lifestyles and more unstable families contribute, and that government policies contribute.

    Regarding the middle class, that is a segment of society that is very hard pressed today. They are carrying an unfair burden. As I mentioned in another thread, the middle class is being squeezed out of existence by expensive healthcare, taxes, housing, and government resources going elsewhere. Is it a wonder that many are cracking?
    FWIW, I do agree on the dissolution of the middle class.

    Sadly, no one cares, as long as the 1% stay fat, all is well.
  2. by   Jedrnurse
    Quote from OldDude
    I'm OK with regular Zombies but the Zombies that can run scare the BeeJeezus out of me.
    Yeah, "28 Days Later" totally upended the Zombie paradigm...
    Last edit by Jedrnurse on Dec 6 : Reason: typo
  3. by   OldDude
    Quote from Farawyn
    Well, with no money in federal mental health and social services, we may never know what those are.
    It's much easier to blame the media.
    Quote from Emergent
    I think the poorly run welfare state is one negative factor in society. It has rewarded the breakdown of the family structure, and allowed a generation to sit on their butts, smoking pot, playing video games, consuming hot cheetos and soda pop on the pubic dime.

    It had done very little to incentivize more wholesome lifestyles like marriage, family values, healthy eating and physical activity, all of which would improve mental and physical health.
    Quote from Farawyn
    ...And this has what to do with guns? Or getting accessible mental health help?
    Does it matter to you that most of the mass shooters were middle class?

    I also object to you listing marriage as a "wholesome family value" when over 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce.
    Quote from Emergent
    Apparently our world views on what would improve the mental health of society diverge here. I personally believe that unhealthy lifestyles and more unstable families contribute, and that government policies contribute.

    Regarding the middle class, that is a segment of society that is very hard pressed today. They are carrying an unfair burden. As I mentioned in another thread, the middle class is being squeezed out of existence by expensive healthcare, taxes, housing, and government resources going elsewhere. Is it a wonder that many are cracking?
    This exchange reinforces, to me, that the "cause" isn't the gun itself but, arguably, many social and governmental factors that have paved the way to where we are today; which kinda dovetails back into the OP's subject. The car has to have a driver, the alcohol or drug has to have a consumer, the cigarette has to have a smoker, the gun has to have a shooter. All of these items can kill but none of them are harmful without a human participant.
  4. by   Farawyn
    Quote from OldDude
    This exchange reinforces, to me, that the "cause" isn't the gun itself but, arguably, many social and governmental factors that have paved the way to where we are today; which kinda dovetails back into the OP's subject. The car has to have a driver, the alcohol or drug has to have a consumer, the cigarette has to have a smoker, the gun has to have a shooter. All of these items can kill but none of them are harmful without a human participant.
    I'm angry and frustrated, too. I don't have guns, so I don't shoot anyone. Easy as pie.
  5. by   OldDude
    Quote from Jedrnurse
    Yeah, "28 Days Later" totally upended the Zombie paradigm...
    OMG, YES...I was exhausted after watching that show!
  6. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from OldDude
    This exchange reinforces, to me, that the "cause" isn't the gun itself but, arguably, many social and governmental factors that have paved the way to where we are today; which kinda dovetails back into the OP's subject. The car has to have a driver, the alcohol or drug has to have a consumer, the cigarette has to have a smoker, the gun has to have a shooter. All of these items can kill but none of them are harmful without a human participant.
    Well, then maybe guns should be licensed and insured just like cars. Users should have to demonstrate proficiency in their use, just like when someone gets their driver's license.

    There's a lot of problems in this country, and the middle class really is getting squeezed. However, I disagree that media exposure to "sexual deviancy" and "sadism" (whatever the heck is meant by that), is the root cause. I feel a real factor is the glorification of guns in this country. As Macawake said earlier, they are a tool and should be used safely. They are not an accessory that everyone needs cause they're "cool".

    Bottom line to me-too many people in this country die of gun violence, many of them children. We have to be able to talk about it, do research into the causes, and make appropriate changes to laws, legislation, whatever to change this fact. The NRA should not have the power to block these things from being done. No one wants to take your guns away. We want people to be safe and to stop dying unnecessarily.
  7. by   OldDude
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Well, then maybe guns should be licensed and insured just like cars. Users should have to demonstrate proficiency in their use, just like when someone gets their driver's license.
    ...OldDude
    I agree with this. I have a license to carry a handgun in Texas which I obtained after completing a state approved course of classroom instruction and proficiency demonstration. I pay a monthly fee to a firm for "liability insurance" just like I do on my vehicles.
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    There's a lot of problems in this country, and the middle class really is getting squeezed. However, I disagree that media exposure to "sexual deviancy" and "sadism" (whatever the heck is meant by that), is the root cause. I feel a real factor is the glorification of guns in this country. As Macawake said earlier, they are a tool and should be used safely. They are not an accessory that everyone needs cause they're "cool".
    ...OldDude
    Agree with this but must add, glorification of guns is perpetuated by the media so they are complicit in that way. Overall, I think the media, which is profit driven, is a scapegoat on which to blame whatever pet peeve one has on. The media does influence people but I think it's more of a catalyst for various predispositions people have.
    ...

    Bottom line to me-too many people in this country die of gun violence, many of them children. We have to be able to talk about it, do research into the causes, and make appropriate changes to laws, legislation, whatever to change this fact. The NRA should not have the power to block these things from being done. No one wants to take your guns away. We want people to be safe and to stop dying unnecessarily.
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    100% with you here
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    Good info!
  8. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from OldDude
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    100% with you here
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    Good info!
    Dude-you are a perfect example of what I think a responsible gun owner is.
  9. by   OldDude
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Dude-you are a perfect example of what I think a responsible gun owner is.
    Well thank you!! I forgot to add you have to pass a state/federal background check to get a "License to Carry a Handgun" in Texas.
  10. by   rzyzzy
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Bottom line to me-too many people in this country die of gun violence, many of them children. We have to be able to talk about it, do research into the causes, and make appropriate changes to laws, legislation, whatever to change this fact. The NRA should not have the power to block these things from being done. No one wants to take your guns away. We want people to be safe and to stop dying unnecessarily.
    You personally might not want to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but the people behind "the Brady campaign " & "moms against gun violence" and the entire Hopkins center are rabidly anti-gun. They have intentionally engaged in dishonesty- conflating "semi-auto" with "automatic" , sporting and target weapons as "weapons of war" & in the case of the Brady campaign, intentionally softening their stated goals vs the goals that they previously (vociferously) stated.

    Handgun control inc wanted every handgun in the country taken away from anyone who wasn't a cop. When they realized that was not a view shared by any quantity of Americans, they changed their name & rolled back into "common sense gun reforms" - but the "common sense reforms" were (and are) just incremental steps towards a totalitarian goal.

    The bottom line as seen by "ammosexuals" such as myself is that anyone spouting "surveys" from Hopkins or "moms/mayors/high school students against guns" is acting as a tool for the will of just a couple of super-rich anti-gun Americans.

    Moms, mayors, parkland students & giffords are all puppet organizations funded by one rich new-Yorker who doesn't share any "common sense" mentality, he wants New York style laws implementated nationwide. New Yorkers don't have appreciable gun rights & under Bloomberg, they were subjected to unconstitutional "stop and frisk" police-state actions.

    That's not a model I care to live under & that's who you are helping when you parrot the "common sense gun reform" line.

    Registration leads to confiscation. So, as much as many love to spout "we're not asking for your guns", if you're following the marching orders of "handgun control inc", you are asking for my guns. You're a tool of a handful of billionaires who want America disarmed & they're trying to make their voices louder by pretending to be "grassroots" organizations.
  11. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from rzyzzy
    You personally might not want to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but the people behind "the Brady campaign " & "moms against gun violence" and the entire Hopkins center are rabidly anti-gun. They have intentionally engaged in dishonesty- conflating "semi-auto" with "automatic" , sporting and target weapons as "weapons of war" & in the case of the Brady campaign, intentionally softening their stated goals vs the goals that they previously (vociferously) stated.

    Handgun control inc wanted every handgun in the country taken away from anyone who wasn't a cop. When they realized that was not a view shared by any quantity of Americans, they changed their name & rolled back into "common sense gun reforms" - but the "common sense reforms" were (and are) just incremental steps towards a totalitarian goal.

    The bottom line as seen by "ammosexuals" such as myself is that anyone spouting "surveys" from Hopkins or "moms/mayors/high school students against guns" is acting as a tool for the will of just a couple of super-rich anti-gun Americans.

    Moms, mayors, parkland students & giffords are all puppet organizations funded by one rich new-Yorker who doesn't share any "common sense" mentality, he wants New York style laws implementated nationwide. New Yorkers don't have appreciable gun rights & under Bloomberg, they were subjected to unconstitutional "stop and frisk" police-state actions.

    That's not a model I care to live under & that's who you are helping when you parrot the "common sense gun reform" line.

    Registration leads to confiscation. So, as much as many love to spout "we're not asking for your guns", if you're following the marching orders of "handgun control inc", you are asking for my guns. You're a tool of a handful of billionaires who want America disarmed & they're trying to make their voices louder by pretending to be "grassroots" organizations.
    Alrighty, then......I guess I'm just a tool who is tired of seeing the mass shooting and school shooting headlines. So be it. Keep your thoughts and prayers coming.
  12. by   akulahawkRN
    Quote from Farawyn
    I'm angry and frustrated, too. I don't have guns, so I don't shoot anyone. Easy as pie.
    That's fine and your choice! I (and others here) do have guns and don't shoot anyone. I do not ask you to have them and I expect that you do not ask me not to. For the vast majority of gun owners, including those that carry every day, as long as you aren't posing a threat of great bodily injury (or greater), you have nothing to fear. With the exception of Hawaii, every state has THOUSANDS of people, if not MILLIONS of regular people legally authorized to carry in public. There are even interstate agreements (reciprocity) where states recognize each other's licenses.

    A minority of states (there are 8 of them) restrict who is allowed to obtain a carry license. My own state is one of them. My license is good throughout the State and some other States do recognize that I'm licensed but my own State does not recognize any other State's license. My state is considered a "May Issue" state and this is very open to abuse. If you're in an area where the Sheriff is very strict, it can become a "who do you know" situation before you're allowed to carry. If you're in an area where the Sheriff is more open, anyone that can legally buy handguns can get one.

    Seriously, there are probably more legally armed people around you than you realize. They're not the problem.
  13. by   akulahawkRN
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    Alrighty, then......I guess I'm just a tool who is tired of seeing the mass shooting and school shooting headlines. So be it. Keep your thoughts and prayers coming.
    I'm tired of seeing them too. Just remember an old rule of Journalism: If it bleeds, it leads. Some do look for their 15 minutes of fame, even if it's bad...

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