Preferential treatment for new staff - page 4
Does anyone else have a problem with new staff getting preferential treatment? I have worked at the same hospital for eighteen years, and it seems new hires are getting better treatment from... Read More
May 28, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 479; Likes: 3I think benefits are why employers want to rid themselves of older employees. Insurance premiums are higher for older workers. I see this in other professions too.
Jun 9, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 415; Likes: 1Anyone have comments on a RN being bumped off her floor because of a new LPN hire? They want me to float along with 3 others. I feel this is very unfair.Too many FT now so I'm supposed to go to diff floors I know nothing about. I have to stand up for myself on this one. going to see DON soon. I'm actually thinking of looking elsewhere if this isn't resolved in a fair matter. Mgt. also has made negative comments that we lack leadership...just because we get along with the cna's. This is a LTC facility. Give me some input please, what would you do in this situation?
Jun 9, '02Occupation: Enterprise Application Systems Analyst Specialty: 27 year(s) of experience in Everything except surgery ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 5,601; Likes: 174[QUOTE]Originally posted by nell
I agree, ageless. Not being allowed to talk about salaries allows manipulation by management. I'm so glad we have a union at my hospital: not one of the big ones, but our own, run by us. Takes more work, but everything is as fair as possible. Our salaries are in our contract - everyone knows what everyone else is making if they know the step they're on. Floating, being cancelled due to low census, holidays - everything is spelled out - everything is above board. And Mandatory OT has been outlawed for years ! [/QUOTE
That maybe the way it is where you are...but believe me...having a union doesn't means you know what someone else is making. I came into a union setting as a perm employe...(for a very short time), while trying to get a contract in a certain area. I negotiated with the nurse manager via email for several months...and was able to get well over the amount I was supposed to have been hired in at. It was supposed to not be do able...but I did it...and later found out I wasn't the only one either! Now there was a contract...written out in the union handbook...that spelled out exactly how much they could hire someone in for....but....I felt the amount was way too low...and refused to take the position unless they offered me more. I agree...whatever you can get...get it!
Jun 9, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 6,855; Likes: 8,512I think it's high time we, "old" & "young", alike, began to respect each other more. Walk together & talk together & eventually, we'll come to understand each other & respect each other. The patients will be the "winners". I feel SO sad after reading all these posts. We'd heard about this "new hire" business of paying bonuses etc over there, but it's just unbelievable!! I'm in the Australian Nurses Federation (union) & wouldn't work without being in it!...I've been nursing for 34 years & am becoming increasingly disillusioned with a career that I've loved & gained so much from. Given a lot to as well!...
I don't profess to know all the answers, but I honestly think we need a return to hospital based training where us "older" / more experienced, nurses assist in the training & mentoring of the new nurse.
As for the attitude of the "younger" generation, I find it partly due to them being told at an early age;
"you have rights". But... they're not taught that with "rights', comes responsibility!!...Overall, society has sunk to a new low & politeness has been thrown out the window. The movies has a lot to answer for, as do how some parents raise, (or don't raise), their children. Parents have had their rights taken from them & so, children rule the roost a lot of the time. This is evident in the way some younger members of the nursing profession behave. There's just NO respect. Many people become nurses for the wrong reasons, hence my post in another thread saying that we need to have a selection process, not just a certain high school result, in order to be able to train as a nurse. We need careful selection of people, not just anyone should be able to train as a nurse. It needs more than a university degree!!...The fact there's a shortage of nurses shouldn't sanction lowering the standard!!...The fact your managements over there are bowing to pressures from newer nurses & giving in to their demands, is something to be concerned about. While you have to admire the younger ones for not tolerating what we older nurses have put up with over the years, we can't have them dictating the terms of engagement & future directions of the nursing profession workforce. This is where unions are so beneficial. It's the members, ALL members, who set the pace.
As I said, I don't have all the answers. I just feel it's a sad state the nursing profession is in. No wonder many of us are leaving or contemplating leaving. The profession is losing not only experienced nurses, but also novice nurses who, with experience, would become excellent nurses.
Sending you all my best wishes from Down Under...
Jun 9, '02Occupation: RN Joined: May '02; Posts: 29Oh please, its the same said over and over, Why is it the new people always seem to get what they want!!!!
Why because the rest of us, have been taught that you put your time in, gain the experience you need and never, never complain!
Well maybe its time you take, a cue from the new people who expect more and get more!!!!!!
Yes even I have thought about Unions, but I work in a private hospital and it wouldnt help me at all.
The problem is and has always been, nurses need to think themselves as proffessionals and not has a labor force.
We need to start thinking as one voice!
Jun 12, '02Joined: Feb '02; Posts: 1,178; Likes: 222originally posted by mattsmom81
actually, this may be part of why older nurses are accused of eating their young.... is the bar is being lowered because of the 'nursing shortage'? i would say yes, ime, buany of t i also don't feel schools are doing enough to prepare the student nurses. ...
here's another example i'll share that occurred at my school. eighty percent of both the day & evening bsn student combined didn't pass their first exam in the critical care course sometime in april of this year. the understanding was that there were supposed to be only two exams & both had to be passed by 70%. enough of those students convinced the bsn undergraduate chair to make the instructor drop ten exam questions in order for everyone to pass the first test....otherwise, there would be too many people repeating this one course & the graduating class would shrink tremendously. the instructor was also persuaded to ease-up on the second exam as this was only the second year that this particular course was instituted at this particular bsn program. it just wouldn't look good for the school if too many students fail so close to graduation. i feel that this is unfair to sooo many other students who also have failed due to poor test scores & aren't given the luxury of having test questions thrown-out; as well as those students who fail a subject not because of failing tests, but due to a paper not meeting certain criteria & aren't given any opportunities to redeem themselves. but i guess that's another thread topic.
worse yet, there are a few nursing students (females) that still have those tired old :uhoh21: fantasies that if they become nurses, they'll met & marry a doctor...& once married, they'll only do nursing per-diem....like those appliances nurses from years ago (these nurses would work enough to save-up for new appliances as needed)...their hearts aren't really into doing nursing...they're just interested in what that image symbolizes for them.
in my travels in the reserve & going to my clinical sites, i've come across more rude & nasty young nurses than rude/nasty older nurses. many of these young rude nurses really believe that they're god's gift to the world & that everyone owes them something :angryfire.
now for clarification, i'm only speaking of those rude young nurses that i've observed...this only a fact in my experiences.
yea, nurses do eat their young, but many that are doing the eating are also the young ones!!!
i currently work in a unionized ltc county-own facility & i also see special treatment for some newbie's; but i mainly see special, in some cases, unfair treatment for those "seasoned nurses" as well.
vacations, floating holidays, & personal days are awarded by seniority, as it should be, but there are some that take advantage of this system.
it is standard that those with more seniority pick which summer & winter holidays they want off, i.e. christmas eve (11p-7am) or new years (11p-7am).
well, the charge nurse who had been here for 19 years at that time, wanted christmas off. i agreed, being second charge nurse (having only worked there for 2 years at that time) & choose new year's eve off. well the first charge nurse also put-in for new years eve as a personal day because her daughter needed her to baby-sit for her. so then i'm suppose to say ok...i think not. well, we had to go through a grievance procedure & i got new years' eve off because that was the deal. she picked her winter holiday of choice, christmas, & i should automatically get the other one off.
as a result of that incident, this particular charge nurse, as well as some other "seasoned nurses" started putting-in for their four-week vacations the week before christmas & it would last until the second week of january, well after new years...out of spite. the newbie's were then & still now are told that the two weeks prior to & after christmas & after new years are off limits because only certain "seasoned nurses" were, are given these time periods. the same is happening around memorial day, 4th of july, & labor day holidays.
well i personally think that it would be more fair to go down the seniority list & let people take turns, each year, at being able to get premium time-off...imo. i personally don't care about the summer months because i have to do a two week annual training period in the army reserve (this is in no a vacation mind you - but it sometimes feel like one because i'm away from that place...lol). i never know when i'll go, but it usually happens anytime between march & september of each year.
unions can work as long as the representatives aren't "in bed" with the administrators...i find that whenever they're, you, as an employee can get the short-end of things.
Jun 15, '02Occupation: m/srn Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 70; Likes: 21"New hires" at my facility get special treatment no matter if they are an experienced nurse or a new grad. I try to do my job, be available answer questions, and keep a positive attitude. WHY?Because patients need care and that is the primary reason I'm there. I'm from the old school and "just roll up my sleeves and do it" to get the job done and the patients needs met. When I am out of this rat race in another 5 years I plan on being the patient everybody hates to see coming to the floor. Everybody and anything will be fair game for a complaint and administration will be addressing my complaints seriously. Why, because I have learned the value of a law suit. Sorry, if I upset some of the other readers but I just don't care about that. I am being bluntly truthful. Nursing today is in the pits and it will not be pulling out in my lifetime. See you on the next shift! icie rn
Jun 15, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159My hospital ICU prefers LVN's over RN's if they have critical care experience because they are less expensive. Of course, they can't do charge due to policy so at least one of us have to be on duty...
All I care about is are they REALLY critical care nurses and will they pull their weight. Don't care if they're LVN's... I was one first, and I've worked with many SUPER LPN's/LVN's.
We shouldn't be surprised that the suits want and cater to LVN's because of $$$, isn't that always their bottom line...money???
Jun 16, '02Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 2,730; Likes: 602Our hospital hired LPN's back into the acute care setting to help alleviate the nursing shortage. Well, what's happening is that RN's aren't getting their hours that they were hired to work in order to allow an LPN to work additional hours and overtime. Our Union had filed a class action suit against the hospital over this! LPN's aren't a part of the union so they have no seniority and of course the hospital is gonna work an LPN over an RN cause it's cheaper. The LPN's that they've hired are excellent clinically it's not fair!
On a different note, I'm a newbie in my ICU and have been treated like crap by the old timer night shift staff. They have worked there for over 10 years and don't take well to new people. Not one of them has "taken me under their wing" to show me the ropes of Critical Care and let me tell you I am ready to quit!! Se my thread "bad Evaluation"
Jun 16, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 75; Likes: 1Allow me to opine.......
I have been a nurse for only five short years. One year ago, I left my staff position to work as a traveler/agency nurse. I had several reasons for this. I know that I am not a "seasoned" or "senior" nurse and I respect those who are. However, at my staff job, I began in ICU (after one year in tele) with my mouth shut, ready to learn. I was scared to DEATH for the whole first year that I worked there. I was constantly sick & was double checking everything. I busted my ass, reading after work sometimes & teaching myself what I could. After studying for a full year, I passed my CCRN on my first attempt. DOn't get me wrong, I am not bragging or anything. But, our unit got a new manager who managed to sh** on all the good, experienced nurses and one day, I discovered I was one of the more "senior" nurses on my unit. I became the charge nurse (aka scapegoat) and new staff preceptor. I also held inservices all because the manager said so. What piss** me off was that new grads were being hired at a higher wage than I. Apparently the hospital enacted a raise but it only applied to new hires not existing staff. Needless to say, many people left. New grads poured into our unit with little knowlege (sionce some schools in our area had been encouraged to dumb-down their programs to crank out more warm bodies to fill the vacant jobs) and little desire to learn. Sign on bonuses were offered to them but not anyone else currently on staff. SO many mistakes were made (like for example the AAA repair who had Nipride hanging with any order to titrate to SBP < 140 and was titrated the opposite way by a new hire. The patient ruptured his graft & died) that I refused to be in charge. Well that lead to punitive action by the manager (like holding a staff meeting with the newbies during my vacation in which she sought "dirt" on me) unitl I finally was pushed out. For the better anyway. But my point is, no one is valuable to these management people. When are people going to wake up & quit their staff jobs. Agency work has its drawbacks but it outshines staff work by far. In fact, I am all for nurses forming corporations to contract their services to hospitals. Could you imagine how p.o.'d the suits would be? I am starting to ramble now (just finished 12 hours) so I will shut up before I stop making sense.