Out of nursing program cause i am smoker!!!

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Help, I am at risk of being out of the nursing program because I am a smoker.

I really could use some advise on how to deal with a very unfair instructor. I am a first year PN student and we just started clinicals in Nov. I have an instructor that is absloutely against smoking. Of 18 students in the class only about 6 are not smokers. We were informed that if we as much as smelled of smoke during clinicals we would be docked in our grade.

One day another student and I got busted for smoking. Please no lectures on smoking and how bad it is. I really would like to quit. Anyway, our grade for the day was docked in every area it could. I would be fine with that. What I dont feel is fair is the way the instructor handled it after that.

A few days after the incident the instructor pulled me into her office when no one was around. She flat out asked me if I had smoked, and I said I will not lie, I did. She asked why after knowing her clear views on smoking I would do that, was I just that addicted? I told her yes, it is an addiction. This teacher than asked me about the other student and if she had smoked also. I felt uncomfortable about her asking me about another student, but I admitted she did also. I told her that I was sorry and would make sure it didnt happen again during clinicals. In fact I had just done another clinical the day before and told her in no way did I smoke before or during that clinical. This lovely woman told me that I need to think about what my punishment should be for disobeying her rules. Now remember my grade got docked for smelling of smoke. She also threatened to tell my mother about the incident. My mom works at the college but in a totally unrelated department.

A few days later she pulled me and the other student aside in a public hallway to lecture us and give us our punishment. She stated that we would write a 2 page paper with 2 references on how to quit smoking. Also we would write a 2 page paper on lying. Now I never did lie to her, she asked me if I smoked and I told her yes I did. If I wouldnt have confessed she wouldnt be able to punish us at all. Then to top it off she wants a 3 page paper on patient abandonment. She informed us, this is on the very last day of class before Christmas break, that we will have an incomplete in her class until she recieves these. I feel she is out of line and that she did this in a public hallway is just aweful. She wanted to make an example of us in front of the other students and I feel she handled this poorly.

I am furious. I have read the policies and procedures for the program I am in and nowhere does it say anything about smoking. In fact I dont think she can even assign extra papers because of it. My grade was docked as we were warned would happen. How can she make up extra punishment when I was punished by my grade? How can she make up extra assignments when we were told our grade would be docked. I earned a very hard A in her class. I got a 98% on her final.

Also this woman is a constant overeater and is constantly snacking on candy and other fattening treats. She flat out admits she cant live without candy. Yet she has the balls to judge anyone that smokes. She actually will pick out little things to dock grades on just because someone is a smoker when a nonsmoker can do clearly worse and recieve a better grade. I wrote in a letter to her that her behavior toward me and the other student was rude. In public to degrade us and ask us to write about effects of smoking and lying. How would she like it if she was asked to write about her eating habits and lack of exercise and how her fat butt is bad for her health? She can walk around with a jelly donut in her fat hand, but god forbid she smells smoke on a student.

She called me at home tonight to inform me that if she does not have these papers in hand by Weds of this week she will not let me continue in the program. I am considering taking her actions to her superiors and filing a greivance with the college regarding my grade.

Is it fair for a teacher to withhold your grade because of something like this? I have wrote her a letter pointing out how unfair it is and that I will not write extra papers for being a smoker. I admited to her I was wrong to smoke during a clinical, and said it will not happen again. My grade for that day was lowered because of it. I expect the grade I earned for the semester. I completed her course and than on the last day she throws 3 papers at me as a punishment!!!

I wrote her a letter that I expect the grade I earned and will not be treated like a child and will go to the board if she follows through on her threat. I feel I should add I am a president and deans list student. I have a print out of the points in her class and have earned a 96% fair and square. The class is over and I have an incomplete at the time deans and presidents list are being made, so she has taken that from me.

Please no lectures about smoking, if i could just quit I would. I want to know if her behavior is even justifiable? What are my legal options in this?

Hi again everyone. I just saw the post was back open. I thought I would update you. The papers were written. She didn't want them for a grade, so I told her in the papers how to deal with lying and how she didn't handle things well and backed up my point with sources. On the how to quit smoking papers I told her all the ways I have tried. She probably thinks I have never tried. I have been on medication, the patch, etc. So I told her about the side effects and why they didn't work for me.

My grade is reinstated. In fact I pulled her aside on Friday and told her I am done being upset over this incident. I also told her I appreciate her dedication to the program (she is there many evenings). From now on I will be keeping track of any other unfair things she does, whether to me or other students, however if I do anything about any of it, it will be after I have my degree in my hand. I am going to do my best to get along with this instructor.

Specializes in Critical Care, Pediatrics, Geriatrics.

good for you. Hopefully you will not have any further problems with her.

My grade is reinstated.

Oh by the way, I got an A

good for you... but be careful when you call somebody names on here! There are 180,000 nurses on here and you never know which one is your instructor!!

Gee, alot of ideas:

Say you are around parents that smoke, but you don't.

or

write the paper on the nasty habit of smoking and do a comparison to eating candy, and how much it costs America to take care of people that inflict thier own health problems on themselves.

Her accusations, as you described them, are way out of line. She is not a dictator. She has people she answers to.

Other than that, the only thing you can do is limit your smoking so your fellow students and patients do not smell it.

I hate the smell of smoke and what it does to me. If you are considerate, then I think you should be able to smoke all you want.

You sound considerate and respectful.

The problem with the candy issue is that yes, people do stupid things with their health. The only problem is , patents don't have breathing difficulties etc. when some one they are sitting beside eats a snickers.

nothing

Specializes in cardiac.

I'm glad that you got your "A" that you worked hard for. She has issues obviously. Keep a file on her if you must. Just get through the program that "you are paying for." Nursing schools are a business and run as such. My point is...if you tick certain instructors off they can make your life hell while attending their program. Some even goes as far as to not pass students because they don't like them etc. They don't care if you pass or fail, they still get their money even if you are thrown out of the program. So no matter what, they are still making a profit off of you and every other student that attends there. Good Luck in your future studies.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but I see the bigger issue as being Patient Abandonment.

The instructor assigned a three page paper to be written on this subject.

I'm interested in knowing who the student reported-off to when she left the clinical floor to go out and smoke.

I know in my clinicals that I had to report-off to the licensed primary, another student, and my clinical instructor in order to leave the floor.

The S.N.'s right has been discussed at length. Was her pt.'s right to care addressed? What would a resonable Nurse do?

once a patient told a nurse who had returned to floor after lunch that she must have had a hamburger because she had onion on her breath

pt must have told supervisor because at report next morning she asked that staff consider what their breath might smell like after lunch

i haven't smoked in 25 yers but i cannot smell smoke on another person but the perfumes and aftershaves etc will send me into uncontrollable coughing and gasping for air

Specializes in Obstetrics & Gynecology,Medical/Surgical.
Actually, there has been research showing the harmful effects of second hand smoke breathed in from people's clothing.

I have never heard of this, so I looked into it. Here is some of what I found:

"There is no research in the medical literature about the cancer-causing effects of cigarette odors, but the literature shows that secondhand smoke can seep into hair, clothing, and other surfaces. The unknown cancer-causing effects would likely be minimal in comparison to direct secondhand smoke exposure, such as living in a household that has a smoker." ~http://www.cancer.org

I agree that the tobacco odors definitely stick to skin, hair, clothes, etc. But then again, whenever I go to a Chinese or Mexican restaurant, my clothes and hair smell like the food and grease for hours afterwards! I wonder, then, if someone was allergic to some ingredient used in those foods, if they could have a reaction simply by my being in the room?

Specializes in Education, Acute, Med/Surg, Tele, etc.

When I was in nursing school, and if I had been told that my instructor would not allow smoking even if it is not the school policy I would have been requesting another instructor right away! Yes, I am a smoker...but also I don't like the idea of one instructor thinking they are beyond the rules set down by the organization...one of which I PAY out the nose to attend! No no no...that would have sent my red flags flying, and I would have been scared of what power trip she would be on all semester! Frankly...you don't need the extra added stress of that!

We had no rules like that in school, and frankly...it wasn't untill graduation time did anyone find out that I smoked! They were shocked! But I kept it for times out of school, made sure my clothing was fabreezed and I had showered (then no smokes till after school so my hair wouldn't smell). I didn't do that so that people didn't know, I did that for my patients. They didn't need to smell my smoke, so I didn't do it till I didn't have to be around any!

However...to the OP, you did break the rules sadly....you smoked knowing that even though it may be unfair it was a rule that instructor had...so you broke that one. Then you told on another...maybe another way would have been "I am sorry, but you will have to take that up with her...her habits are not my responsibility or business!". SO I would certainly write up the paper...I would have written it!

But alas..after that...dependant on if this is a battle you wish to take...which I WOULD HAVE (because that is just me! LOL!) I would bring it up with the Dean of School and also hint to a harassment suit against the instructor (that may get things rolling). The instructor is harassing you plain and simple...using her 'power' as an instructor to belittle, frighten, intimidate and single you out! That is harrassment big time!!!!!! YOu didn't pay for that, nor do you deserve it!

BUT...while this is going on...don't smoke at clinicals or school...freshen yourself and clothing so you don't smell like smoke. Don't give her any more fuel to cause things to get any worse!!! I also like the clothing bag idea for the car..that is a good one, but you have to figure out something for hair (a hat?).

Good luck to you!

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