Nurses are Pathetic!!

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I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
You shouldn't even have to ask the question of majority or minority. I am assuming that you have actually talked to your co-workers over your "too many to count" years in the profession. Not just spoke to management and your patients. Or were you one of those ones who just discounted every negative thing that any fellow nurse had to say over your many years of service?

I don't think it's a matter of discounting every negativity from our coworkers over time. One coworker said to me "things are so bad right now and morale is so low". I smiled and said "I don't really feel that way myself." I hate to discount the problems this nurse who works beside me is feeling, but I don't have to own it either. If she convinces us all that we are unhappy and then we're all going to be unhappy. I'm not buying into that. However, only vocal people affect change. Us quiet accepting types who go with the status quo aren't helping when change really needs to occur.

Just as post after post after post in this thread has discounted the original posters postulation that we are pathetic as a profession. If it's not our experience, then it's not our experience.

Specializes in community health.

This posting has really stimulated quite a bit of discussion and I think that is a good thing. The profession of nursing has many issues and some of them never seem to change. I wonder why that is? I read an article that 50% of all new RN's quit hospital nursing after 2 years. Many leave nursing altogether. Wow! Retaining all these nurses would be a big step in the right direction toward the nursing crisis. I think nurses would have alot more leverage if they weren't employees of the institution. We should be independents who contract either as a group (like physicians) or independently.

Specializes in CCU/ICU med-surg.

I can relate to your frustrations, however, in no way are nurses pathetic. Your complaints of our weaknesses, some anyway, are actuallly our strentgths. Granted, we do have problems with unity and "solidarity", but so does everyone else. I mean, look at politics, religion, corporate america..know what I mean? We are strong, in that even with some of the circumstances, we are still there to care, still there to hold a hand, wipe a tear, providing whatever we can in whatever circumstance to take care of our patients, well for the most part anyway. I know this sounds so really corny and trite, but it is so true...... when I have that one patient or patient family that says, "thank you so much for all you've done" it makes all the other ***** worth it. I didn't get in to nursing for the money, I did it for the people and being able to care and be an advocate. It can't be a total waste, nurses are still the most respected profession, and that's according to polls. We must be doing something right.

Take care and best of luck.

The bill Schumer co-sponsored - the Nurse Reinvestment Act - was originally introduced Senators Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Tim Hutchinson (R-AR), John Kerry (D-MA), and Jim Jeffords (I-VT) in the Senate and Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA) - a former nurse - in the House of Representatives. Beginning in 2003, the bill authorizes $40 million for the first year for a National Nurse Service Corps Scholarship program. The program will provide scholarships to potential nurses in exchange for a two-year commitment to work for a public or nonprofit hospital in need of nurses. The scholarship would apply to nursing students interested in becoming Registered Nurses, regardless of whether they study for a

diploma degree at a hospital, an associate degree at a community hospital, or a bachelor's degree at a 4-year university. Currently, the many challenges facing nurses - including long hours, verydifficult work and highly complex training - have deterred many prospective nurses from entering the profession. By offering free tuition, the bill attempts to overcome those disincentives.

"Fewer nurses means longer shifts, longer waits to see doctors and nurses, longer response times to in-patient emergencies, and less nurse-patient interaction," Schumer said. "That all leads to lower quality patient care and, even worse, mistakes that threaten patient safety. This isn't a problem that

will somehow work itself out on its own. If we don't aggressively take steps to

recruit, train and educate more nurses, patients will not be able to expect the level of care they've come to rely on. That's not something anyone wants to see, and that's why we passed this bill. Hopefully we can stop the shortage before it gets even worse."

Additionally, the bill:

Provides grants for nurses to complete their doctoral studies, increasingthe faculty at nursing schools.

Establishes outreach programs through primary, junior and secondary schools guidance counselors to inform students about educational opportunities in nursing.

Provides funding for public service announcements, encouraging prospective nurses to take advantage of the bill and begin training.

Provides grants for nursing schools and hospitals to develop gerontology curriculums to ensure specialized care for an aging population.

"No one ever thought that I would be sponsoring a bill known as the NRA - the Nurse Reinvestment Act - but in this case, I couldn't be more excited that it passed," said Schumer. "With everyone fighting about what money goes where, I say if there's anything worth investing our money in, it's ensuring we have

enough well-trained nurses to keep New Yorkers safe and healthy."

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Senator Chuck Schumer's Website

I watched a doctor chew out a poor new grad the other morning in front of the entire shift change. I guess he does this frequently. Why do we put up with this? Why do we not band together and put a stop to this crap? He chewed her out because the blood glucose was not on the computer yet as the glucometer had not been docked. This is part of what is wrong. This is one small example. This is what I hate. We all stood around and allowed him to carry on and reduce her to tears. And I am as guilty as the rest but I am the traveler and had to be silent.

I think as a traveler you had every right to stand up and say that he shoudn't treat anyone that way regardless of what status she or he has. I work in a great environment and the doctors treat us well. Everyone has the option of working somewhere else. Every other hospital in this city has an evironment like you describe, and I'll tell you it because people don't stand up and say that we're not going to take that kind of treatment. I also make a great wage, and I'm a new grad of three months. I think we need to stop complaining and make sure we work only where we feel valued and appreciated. Those places are out there, don't just accept that treatment. Vote with your feet. Be honest in your exit interview, things will change. I think it much more likely that we will be happier if we change the treatment of doctors and, sad to say, other nurses than we will if we make more money. Don't put up with it, speak up in a professional manner. That's what we did here. We had some doctors who were grumpy and condescending with the nurses (especially at night) and we told the Chief Nursing Officer. Things are better. The docs try to get to know us and speak appreciatively to us, even if they have a problem.

I agree with ben123. We only have ourselves to blame if we don't take the breaks we deserve and NEED. But, I'll tell you that part of the problem is nurses who act like you're a slacker and lazy if you take a break, and nurses who seem to be competing for who can stand up the longest. That is not cool, that is self abuse and it is benefitting no one. I find after my lunch break (OFF THE UNIT!!!) I am a better nurse, more patient and better able to seve the needs of the client and their families. I also think we shouldn't be treated poorly for not wanting to take extra shifts. Every life needs balance. Take it or burn out MUCH sooner.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.
I agree with ben123. We only have ourselves to blame if we don't take the breaks we deserve and NEED. But, I'll tell you that part of the problem is nurses who act like you're a slacker and lazy if you take a break, and nurses who seem to be competing for who can stand up the longest. That is not cool, that is self abuse and it is benefitting no one. I find after my lunch break (OFF THE UNIT!!!) I am a better nurse, more patient and better able to seve the needs of the client and their families. I also think we shouldn't be treated poorly for not wanting to take extra shifts. Every life needs balance. Take it or burn out MUCH sooner.

Every life indeed needs balance just as

every golf swing needs balance

good balance means an easier more effective swing and longer distance thus more enjoyment and not burning out on the game

Whether its the game of golf or the game of work

You need to follow the rules

you need balance to keep eveything running smoothly without busting your back or your harmony

I may only be a naive nursing student in the eyes of many of you, but I have a background in social work. I listen and read posts of how nurses are so grossly underpaid - and I wonder, how many of you really know what underpaid is. I am not saying the nursing profession couldn't be paid more or respected more by doctor's.

I am sorry to hear that some of you don't recieve the respect for this profession that I already have been able to experience. I am only in school and when friends, family or even strangers hear that I am in nursing school they go on and on about what a fantastic profession it is. How we need so many more good nurses, and how nurses made their recent hospital stay a more pleasant one. People fall all over themselves admiring the profession that I have now chosen.

As far as the pay, I worked six years in the human service field (Bachelors in Social Work). I had kids punch, bite, scream, throw trash cans at me, and even had my hair ripped out of my head (in a massive clump). I had all of this done to me with not making more than $10/hr. My highest paying job in the human service field was a "case managment" position at $33,000/yr (and I already had a little over 5 years experience). That job was a piece of cake comparitively (to previous social work positions), I only had 12 hour days, drove my car for hundreds of miles a day to transport clients to and from every imaginable appointment only to be reimbursed .29/mile with a cap of $300/month. I was on call for a week at a time every fourth week - no overtime time, no comp time - NOTHING. So I am sorry that I can't relate to the woes of nursing not getting paid when on average the starting nurse base salary is $39,000/yr. That is $6,000 more a year as soon as I graduate - no experience.

i was surprised when i came across this forum.

i completely understand what the original poster was saying about backstabbing etc.

i am not a nurse i am going to school to be a nurse. i worked as a cna in a hospital and worked on the unit i thought i would be very happy on. however i encountered exactly the same problem for much less pay. i'm not saying put up with it for more pay.

hospitals are extremely political.

if you are invited out for drinks after work you better go, if you don't watch out people in this profession will chew you up and spit you out soooo quick you wont know what happened to you. and i know this working as a cna i myself had to put up with this stuff.

i had a ward clerk yell at me in front of dr's nurses patients, i turned around and walked away. she then proceeded to ask me in her hositl voice if i was walking away from her and i turned around and calmly stated yes infact i am, until you know how to speak with respect and in an appropriate place please don't speak to me at all.( i try to do the kill them with kindness thing, kinda make them look like a jacka**).

i then had a dr. come up to me and tell me that she was extremely impressed with how i handled the situation considering i was 25 and she was 47.

i was not only treated this way by her but by some of the nurses and i was written up for speaking my opinion on several occasions. i was eventually falsely fired. i got with my union and was rehired but realized that i would rather go back to a nursing home work twice as hard get paid a little less but not be treated like crap.

it's a dog eat dog world and unfortu. sometimes you have to kiss a little you know what, to get anywhere in almost any profession.

i almost let this deter me from becoming a nurse, but realized i wasn't here to make my co - workers happy but to take care of patients - human beings - someones mother - someones father sisiter brother aunt uncle cousin

nurses make a pretty good salary. not as much as i personally think you all should make but it is possible to live well off of this profession.

becoming a nurse for me means being able to provide for my daughter giving her a good life. being able to say, "hunny lets go shopping and to lunch" without having to make sure that i have enough money in the bank. right now even with my husbands income we struggle day to day, sometime i can't pay our bills on time because we get so low on cash. we own a home have bills just like everyone else but becoming a nurse means not having to worry about everything all the time. even if something were to happen to my husband this profession would still be able to take care of my daughter and myself.

don't get me wrong, but be greatful that you have this degree and you are able to utilize it and make money with it and that there are more then enough jobs out there.

i go to work to work not to make friends and have drinks etc. just to work period end of story. i try to be nice to everyone that is just in my nature, but when pushed i will speak my mind and stand up for myself even if that means getting fired!!!!! i feel it is those who put up with the abuse who will fall in the end, take a stand and fight for what you believe in and if you feel that its not worth your time or effort as in my situation then leave find another job explore your options. there is some much out there for nurses to do.

work at a school

go into daycares for monthly visits

in home health care (which pays go $)

dr's offices (holidays off / long lunch hours/ no weekend etc.)

clinics

and much more.

if there is a will there is a way. and let me reassure you there are much worse jobs that you could be doing, exotic dancer, hooker, call girl, work as a cna haha just thought i would throw that in there.

perk up, realize it is a problem that they have not you. and if your in it just for the money which a lot of us are then your in it for all the wrong reasons. have to want to be there for the patients.

i'll stop there and i hope an outsiders opinion will change the minds of some of ya'll.

sorry so long i had to put my two thoughts in.

april:biere: cheers, go have a drink and relax

Specializes in Public Health, OB/Peds, Public Health.

Good luck. I hope you work out your anger and figure out why you're angry and at whom.

Specializes in ER, ICU, L&D, OR.

Nicely said Aprila1

sorry I can't agree with you less. I agree with you that I have been on floors that have less than workable conditions. I did not remain there. I realize there are many nursing opportunities out there that offer better working conditions. I went from a terrible nursing home environment to one that offered better conditions until I passed my R.N. boards.Then I found myself working in deplorable conditions some of the time on an IMC. The other half of the time we weren't overwhelmwd and had fun playing on the internet. Next I tried a pcu where if you were a decent nurse they laid morer patient ratio on you because they knew you could handle it. I said bye bye to that too. Now I am working in an area thjat I enjoy most of the time. I work in peds cardiology. It is interesting. They never overwhelm with a pt load. Staffing is good. I am making about 80,000 a year with minimal overtime. I do work nights, however. No job is perfect and none of us are ever pleasesd as punch all the time. If a place is driving you crazy it is time to seek a new one. Get counseling from, someone that has been there and knows what you are going through. You can find the job you like you just have to be willing to open yourself up to see what is around you. Change can also be a good thing. I find a new job about every 2 years. It also makes me more motivatyed to continue to learn new things.

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