New call lights

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I have recently taken a position as a clinical resource nurse. I am able to stay at bedside and also teach with the staff. However, along with this job comes many various and sundry different committees that I am now on. I am a floor nurse at heart--not an administrator type--so I try to look at the issues and how they will affect the 'real' people (not the suits who are spending our raises).

Anyway here is my question: The hosp is looking into a new call light system. The one that was presented today includes a monitor that the nursing staff would wear. It is called a 'locator'. It is an infared device combined with a wireless transmitter so each nurse can be located during the shift. My first instinct is "Big Brother" is watching. They also discussed a tracking system (which would mean another useless committee to see what patients were not having their needs met in a "timely" fashion (like moving the kleenix box over 2"). I am worried this will also become a "monitor the nurse for her time management" allocation. (as in--you don't get a merit increase of .03% this year because you spent too much time in the bathroom(more than once every shift would be about right).

Am I being paranoid???:imbar Does anyone else use a system like this??? What do you find is beneficial or not. I do believe that we need a way to communicate better from the nurses station for call lights, but this seems too far the other extreme.

Originally posted by hwright

The main reason I can think of that a call bell isn't answered right away is that the nurse is busy with another patient (after all we aren't all working 1 to 1!) So are we suposed to just drop that person, sometimes literaly, and rush to the next pt? (with the family all standing around waiting for you to move that kleenex box) The next thing "they" will think of is adding a method of giving you a little shock if you're to slow!

If anything I'd like to see a simple alarm/panic device we could wear to alert other staff that we needed immediate assistance, like when you're stuck in the pt's bathroom with someone who is coding and no one is answering the bathroom bell because they figure it's just Mr. Jones pulling the wrong switch again!

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Originally posted by hwright

If anything I'd like to see a simple alarm/panic device we could wear to alert other staff that we needed immediate assistance, like when you're stuck in the pt's bathroom with someone who is coding and no one is answering the bathroom bell because they figure it's just Mr. Jones pulling the wrong switch again!

I work in an old, dingy hospital... our call bells light up a light outside the room and a "ding, ding" sound at the desk until it is answered. Emergency - pull the call bell cord out of the wall. The monitor at the desk flashes "911", and a different (lounder, shriller) alarm sounds. This is the "emergency" buzzer.... it works beautifully. And it can't be that new or expensive, knowing my hospital....

We also use this system for patient safety by pinning the call bell cord to a pt's gown if he's at moderate risk for falls or mildly confused... that way the "emergency" buzzer lets us get to him before he falls. (we have bed-check alarms too - but this is the simpler version.)

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

Personal protection? Hmmmm

Tracking Personnel is more like it. We tried several means to communicate with the desk.

Call lights answered by the secretary,

secretary has to leave desk and go looking for you. Easier if your patients are clustered together.

If you keave the floor, tell the secretary where and how long you are going to be.

Then we tried big yarn Pom-Poms color coded to each nurse that day. I dea was to put it o the handral near the door you were. The secretary could look down both halls and find the fuzzy, then call into the room. Shoulda worked too except people forgot to move them and some played volleyball with them while going down the hall.

We tried an assortment of beepers. Worked OK but no way to talk back if you can't leave your current task. Of course the beepers also disappeared in a short time.

Next was this big gray box that clipped onto your waistband, It had a coiled wire up to a cmall combination speaker microphone.

You coud speak to the desk OR to another nurse for help or anything you needed brought. That company is out of business I think.

Then we hadPanasonic cell phones....9 of them. one for each of the 3 teams. Got them at BestBuy. They almost worked sometime. If you replaced one in the wrong cradle it lost it's programming and then you had TWO phones with the same access number. The bad side is they didn't reach into every room, and many times the calls went wild and we found ourselves talking with the ER or the fast food place across the highway. Plus the "FAVORITE TACK" from the secretary would be to give the patient your telephone number!

Next were the Tadirian cell phones. Somehow they were promised to be constructed so as to NOT interfere with monitors etc. We were just above the Neuro ICU and just below the PICU. But then No Worries....they all were stolen within just a few months. Remember these were really expensive phones.

These "things" that track the nurse, are they for a purpose? Is someone being paid big $$$ for the job? I know flashing fluorescent bulbs like on the top of school buses tacked to our foreheads and an viewing device that can see into all rooms....even the BR, Kitchen, and break room.

HWright has a great idea. Let's all be "Granny" and wear our button on a neck band.

"Help me, help me, I've fallen down and I can't get up "with____patient name___________send help NOW.

Do suits have a special Nurse Harassment Commitee in some secret bunker in the side of a mountain in Montana or something?

It seems that all effort towards "solving" imbalanced nurse:patient ratios go into new ways to torture nurses.

I'm too lazy to post a quote, but someone here made the observation that money and time could be spent on retention and recruitment rather than harassment.

Hmmmm........I wonder if they're getting these in any unionized hospitals?

but the next locator system will have cameras turned on into the room where you are locatable in and will watch to see if you move that kleenex box correctly.........

oh, well it will also watch you go to the bathroom and eat your food on your nonexistent breaks.......

but hey give me voice activated charting.....where i can just talk and chart on the run.....and I will be happy for my eight hours (or not)............

Hey Zum, there was a similar thread on this topic. In that thread I suggested that someone bring in a remote control car and put the sensor on it and send that sucker all over the place at 90 miles an hour. I'd quit before I'd wear one of those because I am unfortunate enough to work in a facility that has the mentality of going after nurses over bogus issues. Must be where all the suits in my area went to How to crew you staff in 50 easy ways school. I would hand them their sensor and tell them to...you get the idea. But in another aspect, I wonder if anyone who does use these systems have proven that the perceptions of people tend to be off when they are anxious and or in pain? I have been waiting for an hour when they only pushed the button 5 minutes ago. Anyoe found that yet??

Specializes in surgical, neuro, education.

Thanks everyone--these were my thoughts exactly (except did not even think about Ca risk???) Our unit is only 13 years old--been there since inception. The call light system seems to function fine to me. The patient pushes the button__the nurse answers__the patient pushes again and again. A no fail system. (sorry worked a 12 hour from hell yesterday--my one patient had her light on 15 times the first hour trying to have me help her call on the phone in her room)

The one system they were drooling over had nurse call systems that would go on patient's wrist like a watch. My hand jumps up in the air (it does that sometimes) and I asked how expense these were to replace. I was told they should last for years. I said no--my question is how expensive to replace when our patients leave the hospital and take them home with them. (not to mention the confused little old man who hears "voices" coming from his wrist. (John It is me GOD I need you to have a BM) We have had visitors leave with expensive paintings, lamps, not to mention so many phones that they went to the 50cent phones they are using now. We even had one lady take the O2 monitor home because she thought it was her grandson's gameboy!!!

I say how about spending all this money (that they don't have) on the staff??? Not even just the nurses. We have yet to see this big raise they promised the media. I just can't understand city hall.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by adrienurse

I don't understand, what is the purpose of this device other then to monitor staff? How does it benefit the patients. New technology is all well and good, but I'd go with something that's been around long enough to have the kinks worked out.

The ENTIRE purpose is to monitor staff. When they went to it in my former hospital, they told the tale of the grasping, greedy, fib-telling patient (and I told the tale in another thread, so I know I'm repeating myself, as opposed to most of my life when I have no clue) who started a lawsuit that the nurse didn't come into the room in a timely manner.

The hero-administrator got out the computer records showing the exact time the light went on and the exact time the nursey went into the room - voila!! Lawsuit goes away.

It doesn't benefit the patients in any way that I can see at all. It is supposed to turn out the nurse call light when you go in, saving you maybe 1-2 steps and a button-push. OMG!!! THANK YOU, Mr. administration!!!!!!!

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This is a wigged out thing to say, but i would love to have a headet device that was easy to wear and had everyone on it. The dern e charts are wireless; Why not let everyone talk to each other tooo. As a cna, I know I spend a great chunck of time not knwing what to do for extended and meanless time spent tracking down nurse something or other to get the chart or whatever. If you didn't have the communications skills to properly use a radio, you can learn. I am not paraniod someone is tracking me.213050145 200258844 185603342

Dear, sweet Mario......I know the familiar argument "if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear" in regards to this type of tracking device. However, you are stepping on a slippery slope here. Where do they draw the line? Are they next going to install some sort of punitive device to torture us when we don't answer the call bell/telephone/etc in a timely fashion? I mean anything is possible. People should be leary of anything that gives the authorities more power (in this case, it's the suits, but the same argument could be used for the government, etc.).

Specializes in Med/Surg, ER, L&D, ICU, OR, Educator.

No tracking devices in our unionized hospital!

Lordy, why not implant a computer chip into all of us....or maybe even a listening devise to really keep up under THE thumb?

The land of the free? :nono:

after tonight, will not discuss openly.....well had to edit.....

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right about now, would just love to be on my cabin on the hill with the stream behind and the mountain ahead.....

in my nightshirt still'

micro and out.........

fries with that........

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