New call lights - page 2
I have recently taken a position as a clinical resource nurse. I am able to stay at bedside and also teach with the staff. However, along with this job comes many various and sundry different... Read More
Jul 27, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 562; Likes: 128Originally posted by hwright
If anything I'd like to see a simple alarm/panic device we could wear to alert other staff that we needed immediate assistance, like when you're stuck in the pt's bathroom with someone who is coding and no one is answering the bathroom bell because they figure it's just Mr. Jones pulling the wrong switch again!
We also use this system for patient safety by pinning the call bell cord to a pt's gown if he's at moderate risk for falls or mildly confused... that way the "emergency" buzzer lets us get to him before he falls. (we have bed-check alarms too - but this is the simpler version.)
Jul 28, '02Occupation: RN-i (RETIRED) Specialty: ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89 ; From: US ; Joined: May '00; Posts: 14,479; Likes: 2,298Personal protection? Hmmmm
Tracking Personnel is more like it. We tried several means to communicate with the desk.
Call lights answered by the secretary,
secretary has to leave desk and go looking for you. Easier if your patients are clustered together.
If you keave the floor, tell the secretary where and how long you are going to be.
Then we tried big yarn Pom-Poms color coded to each nurse that day. I dea was to put it o the handral near the door you were. The secretary could look down both halls and find the fuzzy, then call into the room. Shoulda worked too except people forgot to move them and some played volleyball with them while going down the hall.
We tried an assortment of beepers. Worked OK but no way to talk back if you can't leave your current task. Of course the beepers also disappeared in a short time.
Next was this big gray box that clipped onto your waistband, It had a coiled wire up to a cmall combination speaker microphone.
You coud speak to the desk OR to another nurse for help or anything you needed brought. That company is out of business I think.
Then we hadPanasonic cell phones....9 of them. one for each of the 3 teams. Got them at BestBuy. They almost worked sometime. If you replaced one in the wrong cradle it lost it's programming and then you had TWO phones with the same access number. The bad side is they didn't reach into every room, and many times the calls went wild and we found ourselves talking with the ER or the fast food place across the highway. Plus the "FAVORITE TACK" from the secretary would be to give the patient your telephone number!
Next were the Tadirian cell phones. Somehow they were promised to be constructed so as to NOT interfere with monitors etc. We were just above the Neuro ICU and just below the PICU. But then No Worries....they all were stolen within just a few months. Remember these were really expensive phones.
These "things" that track the nurse, are they for a purpose? Is someone being paid big $$$ for the job? I know flashing fluorescent bulbs like on the top of school buses tacked to our foreheads and an viewing device that can see into all rooms....even the BR, Kitchen, and break room.
HWright has a great idea. Let's all be "Granny" and wear our button on a neck band.
"Help me, help me, I've fallen down and I can't get up "with____patient name___________send help NOW.
Jul 28, '02Occupation: Worrywort Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 1,349; Likes: 16Do suits have a special Nurse Harassment Commitee in some secret bunker in the side of a mountain in Montana or something?
It seems that all effort towards "solving" imbalanced nurseatient ratios go into new ways to torture nurses.
I'm too lazy to post a quote, but someone here made the observation that money and time could be spent on retention and recruitment rather than harassment.
Hmmmm........I wonder if they're getting these in any unionized hospitals?
Jul 28, '02Occupation: a just a nurse contemplating the nature of my career..... Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 2,344; Likes: 21but the next locator system will have cameras turned on into the room where you are locatable in and will watch to see if you move that kleenex box correctly.........
oh, well it will also watch you go to the bathroom and eat your food on your nonexistent breaks.......
but hey give me voice activated charting.....where i can just talk and chart on the run.....and I will be happy for my eight hours (or not)............
Jul 28, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 1,022; Likes: 64Hey Zum, there was a similar thread on this topic. In that thread I suggested that someone bring in a remote control car and put the sensor on it and send that sucker all over the place at 90 miles an hour. I'd quit before I'd wear one of those because I am unfortunate enough to work in a facility that has the mentality of going after nurses over bogus issues. Must be where all the suits in my area went to How to crew you staff in 50 easy ways school. I would hand them their sensor and tell them to...you get the idea. But in another aspect, I wonder if anyone who does use these systems have proven that the perceptions of people tend to be off when they are anxious and or in pain? I have been waiting for an hour when they only pushed the button 5 minutes ago. Anyoe found that yet??
Jul 28, '02Specialty: 22 year(s) of experience in surgical, neuro, education ; Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 395; Likes: 56Thanks everyone--these were my thoughts exactly (except did not even think about Ca risk???) Our unit is only 13 years old--been there since inception. The call light system seems to function fine to me. The patient pushes the button__the nurse answers__the patient pushes again and again. A no fail system. (sorry worked a 12 hour from hell yesterday--my one patient had her light on 15 times the first hour trying to have me help her call on the phone in her room)
The one system they were drooling over had nurse call systems that would go on patient's wrist like a watch. My hand jumps up in the air (it does that sometimes) and I asked how expense these were to replace. I was told they should last for years. I said no--my question is how expensive to replace when our patients leave the hospital and take them home with them. (not to mention the confused little old man who hears "voices" coming from his wrist. (John It is me GOD I need you to have a BM) We have had visitors leave with expensive paintings, lamps, not to mention so many phones that they went to the 50cent phones they are using now. We even had one lady take the O2 monitor home because she thought it was her grandson's gameboy!!!
I say how about spending all this money (that they don't have) on the staff??? Not even just the nurses. We have yet to see this big raise they promised the media. I just can't understand city hall.
Jul 28, '02Occupation: research nurse Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 1,878; Likes: 44Originally posted by adrienurse
I don't understand, what is the purpose of this device other then to monitor staff? How does it benefit the patients. New technology is all well and good, but I'd go with something that's been around long enough to have the kinks worked out.
The hero-administrator got out the computer records showing the exact time the light went on and the exact time the nursey went into the room - voila!! Lawsuit goes away.
It doesn't benefit the patients in any way that I can see at all. It is supposed to turn out the nurse call light when you go in, saving you maybe 1-2 steps and a button-push. OMG!!! THANK YOU, Mr. administration!!!!!!!
Jul 29, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 1,614; Likes: 2This is a wigged out thing to say, but i would love to have a headet device that was easy to wear and had everyone on it. The dern e charts are wireless; Why not let everyone talk to each other tooo. As a cna, I know I spend a great chunck of time not knwing what to do for extended and meanless time spent tracking down nurse something or other to get the chart or whatever. If you didn't have the communications skills to properly use a radio, you can learn. I am not paraniod someone is tracking me.
Jul 29, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 75; Likes: 1Dear, sweet Mario......I know the familiar argument "if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear" in regards to this type of tracking device. However, you are stepping on a slippery slope here. Where do they draw the line? Are they next going to install some sort of punitive device to torture us when we don't answer the call bell/telephone/etc in a timely fashion? I mean anything is possible. People should be leary of anything that gives the authorities more power (in this case, it's the suits, but the same argument could be used for the government, etc.).
Jul 29, '02Occupation: Nurse Educator: love those students! Specialty: Med/Surg,ER,L&D,ICU,OR,nrs. educator ; Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 968; Likes: 41No tracking devices in our unionized hospital!
Lordy, why not implant a computer chip into all of us....or maybe even a listening devise to really keep up under THE thumb?
The land of the free?
Jul 29, '02Occupation: a just a nurse contemplating the nature of my career..... Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 2,344; Likes: 21after tonight, will not discuss openly.....well had to edit.....
"would you like fries with that"
just practicing:stone :stone :stone
right about now, would just love to be on my cabin on the hill with the stream behind and the mountain ahead.....
in my nightshirt still'
micro and out.........
fries with that........
and a happy toy?:imbarLast edit by micro on Jul 30, '02
Jul 29, '02Occupation: New RN Grad... Just passed NCLEX.. Working on a Ortho floor Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,616; Likes: 37I guess I am actually one of few people who like the system... I work as a PCA right now on an Orthopedic floor.. And it has actually been quite handy... On the back of the Locator is a button that can be pushed in case of an emergency, and when you push the button it pages everyone to that room.... We have had a few pts fall, and the nurse not be able to leave, and they use that button for assistance...
But of course no one likes to followed... if you take them off and put them in your pocket then it will lose where you are... But for the most part they are handy....
We also wear pagers that are assigned to the rooms you are in charge of, and when someone presses the call light you get the page and know where to go..
Jul 30, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 2,276; Likes: 42I believe Hell will be in a deep freeze before I would wear one of those things. Even though I am at work I am entitled to a little privacy occasionaly (like my one potty break in 12 hours). I already feel like the admininstration is acting like Big Brother. These "locators" are just another way of administration treating the nurses like toddlers. If these things are good enough for the nurses, then they are good enough for all the employees and physicians. How about tracking how long it takes a physician to respond to a page? Or, how long administration sets chatting in the lunch room instead of being at their desks? This topic has hit a raw nerve with me.