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I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping that you will be honest enough to tell me why things have gotten to where they are. And by the way, my wife is an EM nurse. That is how we met.

I started in emergency medicine 10 years ago in NY. I spent 10 years prior in EMS, and also did a residency in EM for two years after graduating PA school. I have a fairly decent background. Right out of school, I worked in 4 EDs. One hospital in Brooklyn, on my first day, the charge nurse and two others came up to me and said "You are the new PA, let's get one thing straight, we have 4 year degrees, you have a 4 year degree, you are no better than us. You need labs drawn, x-rays put in, IV started, you do them yourself. It's bad enough we have to do them for the doctors, we are certainly not going to do them for you". They were called into the ED directors office the next day. They brought the union who threatened to have the whole hospital walk out if the director had anything to say to the nurses. Then at another hospital in NY, I had nurses tell me and the docs what procedure they would "allow us" to perform on our patients. They ripped up my prescriptions right in front of me and told me when they would not "allow me" to give out narcotics. In Virginia, large level 1 trauma center, they refused to do UAs on most patients. They didn't feel the test to be important. I had them tell me if my UA was so important, "are your legs broke, why can't you get it from the patient and walk it down to the lab?" They played passive aggressive for years, not giving my cardiac patients nitro or morphine for up to 2 hours consistently, answering "I heard you, put the chart in the rack and I will get to it when I get to it". Of course they refused to allow me access to the Pyxis to get the meds myself. I had them yell at me whe I wrote parameters for Cardazem for BP. They told me I was to assume ALL nurses know parameters and how dare I question their knowledge. They then told me they will question all of my orders for at least one year until I prove myself to them. That seemed to be a reoccurring theme in most ED.

I have war stories that I could go on for at least 10 pages. I have just touched the tip of the iceberg. So after almost 10 years of this and 10 emergency departments, I got to the point that I started to hate nurses in general, and thought that this is what I could expect for the rest of my career. Then of all places, I came to Las Vegas. I asked about the nurses here. I was told the same as all of my other hospitals (no one ever tells you how bad things really are as you would never take on a new position there if you knew). But to my surprise, it has been the best experience I have ever had. They are so nice, so professional. There are no power struggles. We all work together. What a difference when I get up every day to come to work.

So what gives? I have never seen a profession where so many are hateful, unprofessional, uncaring about their responsibilities (patients) and could care less about how little they are performing their jobs. This did not appear to be the minority in any of the places I had previously worked. Have I just had the bad luck to have picked 8 out of 10 of some of the worst places?

I am sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences in working with Nurses.

Nurse to patient ratios, bad pay, lack of respect all may very well have contributed to the actions of the nurses that you have described. I know one nurse who left nursing to be a PA and one who left to be an MD because they were sick of "being the lowest rung on the totem pole".

The actions that you are reporting are definitely NOT the norm in my experiences. I work in a large level one trauma teaching hospital (with a nurses union), on the floors though, and I am pretty sure that if those scenerios you described happened where I worked, those nurses would be on probation, suspended, transferred to an area with less direct pt care or as a last resort, fired.

Yes I have seen nurses and MD's PA's NP's CNA's treat each other in a hateful, disrespecful manner. Its not the norm but it is definitely the same few over and over again.

One thing that I have to agree with other posters on is, "have you looked at the way you come off to people?" Most communication is nonverbal so if you come off disrespecful or not confident then I think you are a dumping ground for hateful passive agressive people.

I am so glad to hear you found an environment of professional, respectful people at your most recent job. Also, I am glad that you chose to vent about your frustrations and I hope you found some answers and saw that not all nurses are like those whom you describe as hatefull and unprofessional.

Your wife is an EM nurse so I am wondering what she things of all this??

Good luck

Specializes in CVICU.

Your wife is an EM nurse so I am wondering what she things of all this??

Yes, this is one question, among many, the OP hasn't answered specifically.

I am sorry to hear of your experience. I don't know if you have heard of Magnet status as applied to hospitals. In order to obtain this status staff must present evidence that they treat each other in a respectful manner. All professions have their bad apples. It seems as though you were exposed to more than your share of them.

My theory is that in the states you previously worked the nurses were just beginning a power grab as a profession and being new at it these individuals did not exhibit appropriate behavior, perhaps a tad too agressive! Unfortunatley they may have been modeling the behavior they learned from physicians. As a nurse of 20+ years I have experienced more than my share of obnoxious, rude, and dismissive doctors.

I believe the atmosphere has changed for the better as the physicians and nurses are working out the relationship changes but there will still be some bumpy rides moreso in some geographical areas than in others.

You know something, if you go into any situation with the attitude that "they are going to 'put it to me'" then that is what you are going to get. Over my long nursing career I have had my share of PA's, interns, residents etc. who have come in with major attitudes and GOD syndrome. You do NOT get the cooperation of nursing staff by being a +++ I will go the extra mile for any PA, intern, resident, attending as long as they treat me with respect.

Bottom line (for me anyway) is the PATIENT...someone not doing what they need to be doing (or not doing) and I am going to be vocal about it.

Specializes in med-surg.

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Specializes in med-surg.

Nursing is simple, (or it should be); #1 priority =sick people get treated.#2 Help those who cannot help themselves. Plain and simple. Between the egos, territorialism, personality conflicts and just the overall cr*p we have to put up with, sadly, we sometimes we lose sight of the main objective.

The bit about the refusal to stick a pregnant drug seeker is hard to swallow. Drug seeker or not, we risk needlesticks every day; that's just part of it. And to deny an unborn child the proper medical treatment? Come on... no matter how big an idiot the mother is, that's pure negelect or "burnout", hard to tell. I can tell you that would go over like a lead balloon in my facility and I can assure you that I would be flipping burgers after a stunt like that, cause I can guarantee that I wouldn't be nursing again, in this area anyway.

I have found that many health care professionals get something at work that they are not getting at home. If what the OP says is true, Maybe those nurses are the submissive ones in their family and are not allowed to carry on like that with their spouses. I know one of my Doc's that comes in, throws charts, rants and raves and carries on most certainly DOES NOT get by with that with his wife. One nurse I know who throws his weight around at work, does not wear the pants in his family. Or maybe it was regional, who knows. The point is, that sometimes we, and I don't mean just nurses, DOCs, PA's, all of us, get so wrapped up in ourselves, and what we will and will NOT do, and what s/he is doing or not doing, lose sight of what we are here for and ultimately, that is to heal the sick and injured.

i haven't read through ALL these pages of posts, so i don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but first of all... no NURSE can rip up prescriptions you write! as a PA, you are LICENSED to prescribe medicine in 49 states. nurses CAN'T, and they certainly can't rip up something you write. have you gone to somebody about this?? are you just LETTING them do that?? they simply don't have that authority....sorry.

i haven't read through ALL these pages of posts, so i don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but first of all... no NURSE can rip up prescriptions you write! as a PA, you are LICENSED to prescribe medicine in 49 states. nurses CAN'T, and they certainly can't rip up something you write. have you gone to somebody about this?? are you just LETTING them do that?? they simply don't have that authority....sorry.

And that is what I was trying to point out: by doing so, these nurses are practicing medicine without a license and need to be reported. However, the OP has stated that he doesn't write up his coworkers. In my opinion, that makes him part of the problem.

I have to agree with the PA that started this forum...most nurses I've come across have been rude and unprofessional & they speak to you like you're an idiot....Part of the reason I came into nursing is because I was apalled by the way these "caregivers" treated people, myself included...The only time I regularly see them behave professionally was when I was nursing student. But as a pt. and having worked nurses, it surprising how much self-respect they lack...I'm going to continue in nursing because I'm in it for the people I serve and as a member of a healthcare team...I wish he was wrong but I think he's not I'm afraid to say.

Your experience does not sound like the usual expereince. Although, I do tend to believe nursing is the most non-cohesive group of professionals I have ever encountered. That is where nurses are idiots. They are to busy slamming each other, instead of working together to better themselves professionally and financially. The other week a nurse asked the discussion board about what it was like to work in their area and about pay rates for their areas. Instead of the nurse getting answers to her questions, she was slammed for poor grammer. The only thing that the slamming nurses showed me was, what it is like to have an inferority complex and act like a jackass. I felt like writing in and maybe should have to suggest to those rude nurses to get out of nursing NOW you are burned out....(proven fact). Nursing as a whole will do better if the nasty, uncaring, rude and incompetent nurses leave the profession. I have seen nurses lie about each other, set up each other, and gossip about each other and personally I stay clear. I have been able to negotiate for better money for myself, I have been able to obtain better working hours and shifts. All the time just by being professional, polite, and fun to work with. The way I see it, life is tough enough lets have fun...yes even at work...btw I don't take crap from patients, staff, doctors or family members. (that's a whole other story that I have been very effective in, without getting rude) I let them know they will respect me or they can get someone else to help them... and I am well aware of the current nursing shortage. What a great time to be in nursing!!

I have seen nurses lie about each other, set up each other,

this is so true.... my boyfriend's mother is an RN, and for years has dealt with a terrible co-worker who has stolen from the narcotics bin and blamed it on her, and gone back and "un-done" certain things to make it look like she didn't do a task she was supposed to, etc... terrible!!

these past few posts only serve to generalize nsg, which is dangerous as well as inaccurate.

if i were to believe what was written, one would think that we are all despicable ingrates.

if you're going to tell your story, make it credible.

don't make the few bad seeds blemish your perspective.

give me a break. :madface:

leslie

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