Never understood nursing

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I know this is my first post on your forum, and I am a guest here. But I hopefully can get some answers to a problem that has seemed to plague me since I started practicing in medicine. I am hoping that you will be honest enough to tell me why things have gotten to where they are. And by the way, my wife is an EM nurse. That is how we met.

I started in emergency medicine 10 years ago in NY. I spent 10 years prior in EMS, and also did a residency in EM for two years after graduating PA school. I have a fairly decent background. Right out of school, I worked in 4 EDs. One hospital in Brooklyn, on my first day, the charge nurse and two others came up to me and said "You are the new PA, let's get one thing straight, we have 4 year degrees, you have a 4 year degree, you are no better than us. You need labs drawn, x-rays put in, IV started, you do them yourself. It's bad enough we have to do them for the doctors, we are certainly not going to do them for you". They were called into the ED directors office the next day. They brought the union who threatened to have the whole hospital walk out if the director had anything to say to the nurses. Then at another hospital in NY, I had nurses tell me and the docs what procedure they would "allow us" to perform on our patients. They ripped up my prescriptions right in front of me and told me when they would not "allow me" to give out narcotics. In Virginia, large level 1 trauma center, they refused to do UAs on most patients. They didn't feel the test to be important. I had them tell me if my UA was so important, "are your legs broke, why can't you get it from the patient and walk it down to the lab?" They played passive aggressive for years, not giving my cardiac patients nitro or morphine for up to 2 hours consistently, answering "I heard you, put the chart in the rack and I will get to it when I get to it". Of course they refused to allow me access to the Pyxis to get the meds myself. I had them yell at me whe I wrote parameters for Cardazem for BP. They told me I was to assume ALL nurses know parameters and how dare I question their knowledge. They then told me they will question all of my orders for at least one year until I prove myself to them. That seemed to be a reoccurring theme in most ED.

I have war stories that I could go on for at least 10 pages. I have just touched the tip of the iceberg. So after almost 10 years of this and 10 emergency departments, I got to the point that I started to hate nurses in general, and thought that this is what I could expect for the rest of my career. Then of all places, I came to Las Vegas. I asked about the nurses here. I was told the same as all of my other hospitals (no one ever tells you how bad things really are as you would never take on a new position there if you knew). But to my surprise, it has been the best experience I have ever had. They are so nice, so professional. There are no power struggles. We all work together. What a difference when I get up every day to come to work.

So what gives? I have never seen a profession where so many are hateful, unprofessional, uncaring about their responsibilities (patients) and could care less about how little they are performing their jobs. This did not appear to be the minority in any of the places I had previously worked. Have I just had the bad luck to have picked 8 out of 10 of some of the worst places?

these past few posts only serve to generalize nsg, which is dangerous as well as inaccurate.

if i were to believe what was written, one would think that we are all despicable ingrates.

if you're going to tell your story, make it credible.

don't make the few bad seeds blemish your perspective.

give me a break. :madface:

leslie

how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.

how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.

Just out of curiosity, I just went to read the thread you mention. You seem to have a very thin skin. Golly, not everyone agreed with you. I didn't read anyone attacking you, only a couple of people questioning whether you could be successful as a nurse or PA with the attitude you were presenting.

Exactly how many "situations" regarding nursing behavior have you actually seen? How many years have you spent working as a nurse or working with nurses?

You don't think these last few posts are somewhat rude and inflammatory, given that they're being posted about nurses on a nursing forum....

most nurses I've come across have been rude and unprofessional & they speak to you like you're an idiot....Part of the reason I came into nursing is because I was apalled by the way these "caregivers" treated people, myself included...

Although, I do tend to believe nursing is the most non-cohesive group of professionals I have ever encountered. That is where nurses are idiots.

Yeah, I'd want to read that, too.

Exactly how many "situations" regarding nursing behavior have you actually seen? How many years have you spent working as a nurse or working with nurses?

i posted ONE negative situation -- i didn't generalize, didn't pretend to be speaking towards nursing as a whole, just mentioned ONE situation. but of course, it was negative towards nursing, so everyone on this forum is going to get up in arms about it.. i knew it when i posted it *sigh*

Golly, not everyone agreed with you. I didn't read anyone attacking you, only a couple of people questioning whether you could be successful as a nurse or PA with the attitude you were presenting.

no, it had nothing to do with my attitude or anyone "not agreeing" with me -- people blatantly stated that i shouldn't use nursing as a stepping stone towards PA school. how ignorant is that? just because it's not the route ONE person might take, doesn't mean it isn't right for me. i should've never had to justify/defend myself about it, and that was my point...i posted asking for people's experiences with group work in nursing school, and it turned into people lecturing me on my life decisions. and that's exactly what i'm talking about with this forum.... you can't win. some people just can't stand to see anyone wanting to do anything BESIDES bedside nursing, like it's the best and only option in life.. :uhoh3:

Okay, okay. It's time to settle down or the thread is going on ice.

Citing instances you have seen or relating specific experiences isn't generalizing.

And let's stay away from the whole PAs vs. nurses vs. docs vs. anyone else who gets in the way thing. It doesn't contribute anything but animosity.

Anyone who thinks the OP is blowing smoke, once you've expressed your opinion, feel free to place him on ignore and seek out less aggravating topics.

The reality is that for all the regulation and accountability MOST nurses live with, there are pockets of anarchy and resistance that your average person would find astounding. Some of this might be attributable to union "shops," but it also has to do with poor management that has habitually looked the other way while horrendous things take place. Think back a few years to some of the scandalous news stories about LTC facilities and smaller private hospitals. Intimidation is a subtle serpent, very hard to prove if the person isn't caught in the act.

The common denominators in these situations are the abuse of power (bullying) and the lust for money (leading to inadequate staffing and supplies and just about forcing people to take ill-advised and illegal short cuts). Add to this the suspicion and power struggles that can arise between different groups and you have a recipe for several disasters.

These things shouldn't happen, but they do. Just because you personally haven't witnessed such behavior (which can go so far as to become criminal) doesn't mean it isn't out there. If you haven't run across such problematic workplaces, count yourself blessed.

I do believe that looking the other way--going along to get along--is an invitation to the offenders to keep behaving badly, but I understand having to choose your battles. Only the person in that situation can count the cost.

Please play nice.

Specializes in Psych.
Okay, okay. It's time to settle down or the thread is going on ice.

Citing instances you have seen or relating specific experiences isn't generalizing.

And let's stay away from the whole PAs vs. nurses vs. docs vs. anyone else who gets in the way thing. It doesn't contribute anything but animosity.

Anyone who thinks the OP is blowing smoke, once you've expressed your opinion, feel free to place him on ignore and seek out less aggravating topics.

The reality is that for all the regulation and accountability MOST nurses live with, there are pockets of anarchy and resistance that your average person would find astounding. Some of this might be attributable to union "shops," but it also has to do with poor management that has habitually looked the other way while horrendous things take place. Think back a few years to some of the scandalous news stories about LTC facilities and smaller private hospitals. Intimidation is a subtle serpent, very hard to prove if the person isn't caught in the act.

The common denominators in these situations are the abuse of power (bullying) and the lust for money (leading to inadequate staffing and supplies and just about forcing people to take ill-advised and illegal short cuts). Add to this the suspicion and power struggles that can arise between different groups and you have a recipe for several disasters.

These things shouldn't happen, but they do. Just because you personally haven't witnessed such behavior (which can go so far as to become criminal) doesn't mean it isn't out there. If you haven't run across such problematic workplaces, count yourself blessed.

I do believe that looking the other way--going along to get along--is an invitation to the offenders to keep behaving badly, but I understand having to choose your battles. Only the person in that situation can count the cost.

Please play nice.

Yes! Thank you!;)

Specializes in Psych.
The reason why I sounded the troll alert was that the OP has to have at least some intelligence to have graduated from PA school. Therefore, I have a really difficult time believing that he thinks that the vast majority of nurses are nasty people who don't care about their patients. The first post was so black and white and confrontational and seemed designed to tick people off("Never understood nursing" is a prime example)-which it seems he was sucessful in doing. There are people who are lazy, nasty and passive aggressive in ALL fields in healthcare:nurses, CNA's, PA's and let's not forget doctors, who IMHO, have cornered the market on nasty far better than nurses ever will. He also seems to be under the mistaken impression that he is able to write people up..That one made me chuckle, if anything. I am kind of mad at myself for even posting this and thereby feeding the troll further, but I'm done now and this misguided soul is going on my ignore list..Something tells me though, that I don't even need to do that, because I think he's had his fun.

Yeah, really. And he said his WIFE is a nurse. Can't he get some perspective from that? Or maybe she's as bad as the nurses he worked w/on the East Coast. I sure hope not. It would be tough to have to take that sort of abuse @home AND at work.:uhoh3:

Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.
how did the last few posts generalize nursing? i spoke of ONE situation with ONE nurse. the person before me said "i have SEEN nurses...." nobody generalized, we spoke of situations WE personally had seen. i swear, you can't win on this forum!! unless you're 100% gung-ho about everything to do with nursing and everything about NURSES, you absolutely cant win on this forum. i found this out in the beginning in the student forum, when i posted the "group work fear" thread and later stated i wanted to become a PA, and was attacked for it. some nurses just can't live with the idea of anyone wanting to better themselves, or anyone thinking negatively about any aspect of nursing. it's sad.

If you came across as implying that becoming a PA would make you better than a nurse (which is what you just did), then yes, I can see why you got negative replies.

Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.

Sorry, replied before reading mod. post.

Specializes in Medical Detox , IV Sed., Oral Surgery.

Hi,

Well, being from the East coast people do speak their mind there. Maybe its the harsh elements. Don't know.

I've been an LVN for 3 yrs. now and was a Medical Assistant for 12 yrs. before that. I found most RN's to be mean and probably burnt out. I was the only MA in an Oncology practice and we did 15 infusions a day, at least and 7 at a time. I ran around constantly. When I worked in other offices with RN's they constantly complained and whinned about doing one or two infusions a week! Honestly. When you always work hard you don't have time to worry about it.

I love PA's they are much more humble than NP's who walk around with their noses in the air because they have more schooling than LVN's, RN's and PA's. I truly think its a class thing where every PA i've worked with or know are very sweet and humble. They work for the doctors too you know. PA'S save MD's butts constantly I think. They do lots of dirty work of the doctors also.

As an LVN I treat all my coworkers with respect and kindness. If a doctor is pissy its not about me. I just do my job and be there for my patients. When a patient smiles and says thankyou it makes it all worth it.

Good Luck,

SF nurse clean&sober...

Specializes in Psych.
Hi,

Well, being from the East coast people do speak their mind there. Maybe its the harsh elements. Don't know.

I've been an LVN for 3 yrs. now and was a Medical Assistant for 12 yrs. before that. I found most RN's to be mean and probably burnt out. I was the only MA in an Oncology practice and we did 15 infusions a day, at least and 7 at a time. I ran around constantly. When I worked in other offices with RN's they constantly complained and whinned about doing one or two infusions a week! Honestly. When you always work hard you don't have time to worry about it.

I love PA's they are much more humble than NP's who walk around with their noses in the air because they have more schooling than LVN's, RN's and PA's. I truly think its a class thing where every PA i've worked with or know are very sweet and humble. They work for the doctors too you know. PA'S save MD's butts constantly I think. They do lots of dirty work of the doctors also.

As an LVN I treat all my coworkers with respect and kindness. If a doctor is pissy its not about me. I just do my job and be there for my patients. When a patient smiles and says thankyou it makes it all worth it.

Good Luck,

SF nurse clean&sober...

HHMMM . . .

"Save MD's butts constantly and do lots of dirty work"

Sounds a lot like nursing

What do they want, a medal?

:lol2:

Specializes in Burn ICU, Psych, PACU.
I think just like you and I the OP came here to vent. Why should it be thrown back in his face. We all need to vent every now and then!

Why is a PA (as in physician's ASSISTANT?) venting on a nurses' website? That's like me going over to a PA website and telling them all what a bunch of losers they are...wouldn't go over very well. Maybe I missed something, but just asking...

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
Why is a PA (as in physician's ASSISTANT?) venting on a nurses' website? That's like me going over to a PA website and telling them all what a bunch of losers they are...wouldn't go over very well. Maybe I missed something, but just asking...

Yes, I agree. Why indeed?

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