Preceptorship: My Nursing Student Didn't Take Me Seriously Because of My Age

I wasn't planning on posting my encounter with this student I had a semester ago. Until the student's clinical instructor returned to my unit the following semester. I was pulled aside and was given a formal apology for the behavior of said student. Nurses Announcements Archive

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I graduated and became a licensed RN at the age of 21. I started working a med/surg floor just a few months later. I'll post detail of my student pathway in the comments.

After I just reached my one year mark working in my unit, I was given a student to assist caring for a patient with a small bowel obstruction.

The issues with my student follows (no particular order)...

1) Pt had a mediport and MD allowed to access because of multiple electrolyte infusions. I informed student what I was going to do. He thought a mediport was a brand name needle for a peripheral IV and wanted to insert himself for more practice. I explained the difference between a central and peripheral IV, but he insisted to insert. I asked the instructor if it was in his scope of practice and, of course, it wasn't

2) I inserted an NGT for my patient. I called for xray to verify placement prior to leaving for lunch. I returned, did rounds for my other 4 patients and came back to my students and patient. During this time, my break relief informed that the student walked the patient around the hallway. When they returned, the NGT was out and I ask why I wasn't informed immediately. His response was, "She sneezed it out. You weren't here. I told my instructor. I figured she would have told you."

3) My patient was pain management around the clock and my student attempted to advocate for pain medications. I praised for his assessment. I asked him to take vital signs and report the respiratory rate and O2 sat. IT WAS 9 and 87% I rechecked and it was still 9. I questioned the student what was a common clinical side effect of opioids. He confidentially said "Addiction." I corrected that it was not pertinent to the current situation and I explained respiratory depression. He was adamant that addiction was correct and went to his instructor to validate. I was right.

4) I tried to explain that an IVF Normal Saline bolus and IVPB of anything does not infuse simultaneously and we would require a second IV pump. He still didn't understand and asked for clarification with his instructor. The instructor said verbatim of what I said including the use of a y-port.

5) Student saw my patient's K+ 3.3 and immediately gave orange juice. I explained it wouldn't bring up the K level compared to IVF and I asked if he was mixing it up with blood glucose levels. He didn't understand went straight to his instructor before I could explain.

6) The clinical instructor wanted the student to practice hanging IVPBs. I informed the student that we will be hanging K+ replacements. We met in the patient's room and I sat the supplies down on the clean bedside table. Before I could verify/scan patient identity, my student started opening IV tubes from the packages and was about to pike the potassium back and I firmly told him to stop. He dropped everything and said "fine." I explained, that I need to perform the 5 rights (there are probably more) of medication administration. We completed the task and he stormed off.

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The instructor found out that the student (while walking to his car) openly admitted to his classmates he couldn't take someone who was younger than him seriously. He got wind of my age from his classmates. Per the instructor, this student had a health care work history (non-nursing) and the program was just a filler until he can apply to medical school.

In the end, no patient harm was done. I understand what it was like to be a nursing student and I stayed patient. I always educate and make sure my students are always safe in any patient interaction. I took theses small circumstances as teaching points for any nursing student having a rotation for my unit.

I HOPE I have someone as patient and knowledgeable as you when I start clinicals! I joke that I'm older than all the other students an at least some of the professors, but I definitely respect those who are higher up than me. That guy sounds like a prince, I feel sorry for his other classmates and any other people who have to deal with him..

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
tara07733 said:

I mean, can you imagine going to a department as a student nurse and actually debating with the practicing nurse about MULTIPLE treatments?!! One of the craziest things I've ever heard . Just last week I was shadowing a nurse that I'm sure I had a good 10+ years on (age) and I was all ears and deferred to her on EVERYTHING.

It happens more often than you might think, and it really doesn't seem to matter if the nurse is younger, older or the same age as the student.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
Ruby Vee said:
It happens more often than you might think, and it really doesn't seem to matter if the nurse is younger, older or the same age as the student.

Exactly. I've had many students who thought they were there to run their own program. That's where a sensible nursing instructor is worth her weight in gold. Some instructors, however, dump their students onto unsuspecting nurses and disappear for the day. And provide no way for you to communicate how the student did. You end up feeling like you just babysat someone's loose cannon of a child for the day. For free.

Exactly. I've had many students who thought they were there to run their own program. That's where a sensible nursing instructor is worth her weight in gold. Some instructors, however, dump their students onto unsuspecting nurses and disappear for the day. And provide no way for you to communicate how the student did. You end up feeling like you just babysat someone's loose cannon of a child for the day. For free.

Wow. That's insane to me. My clinical instructors were always on the floor with us and we did not do anything without checking with the instructor first. Our clinical instructors checked our med pass, supervised the administration of meds, supervised dressing changes, and other skills as we learned them. The nurses on the floor loved having students because we decreased their workload. The floor nurses were available for questions but absolutely were not responsible for our education.

I keep reading stories like this and I'm coming to appreciate my nursing program more and more as time go by. How do nursing programs guarantee any sort of quality without supervising nursing students?

OP, I'm sorry you had that experience. It's amazing that you kept your cool through out this experience!! Something tells me that the student won't be successful in the program with that attitude.

No matter our age, we can learn something new at any time. I don't remember who said it but there's a famous quote that every person you meet knows something you don't. Too bad this student hadn't learned this lesson.

I would've given this individual a chance or two and then gone on about my day. I feel I have a duty to help those who are eager to learn nursing (I love it, actually), but I feel no obligation towards those who don't want to learn or who want to play games. This "gentleman" would've been trailing me for the day or else he may have chosen to work out something different with his instructor. NMP.

Wow. I'm so sorry that happened. If this guy is unable to collaborate with people of all ages, he's going to be a terrible doctor.

I'm 13 years older than the nurse orienting me right now - and she's AWESOME. I'm learning so much from her.

I hope I get a preceptor like you!

I've heard some horror stories about preceptors leaving the students standing around for hours on end, or berating them in front of patients, or being so intimidating and condescending that the students leave in tears.

From what you have described I would have been in hog-heaven having all that patient instruction, guidance, and education! Keep up the good work, and don't let this arrogant pleb put you off being a great preceptor to future students! :saint:

Specializes in Flight, ER, Transport, ICU/Critical Care.

You were awesome.

However, a student with a bad attitude is unlikely to ever get a better attitude. No matter what. It will not matter how old they get, who their preceptor is or what program they study. The scary part for me is if this student becomes a clinician in any discipline they just become a clinician with a bad attitude and ain't nobody got time for that. Patients deserve better, anyone that is unfortunate enough to work with losers like this deserve better. This student needs to be shown that selling Amway might be a better fit than any role in healthcare. I mean this.

Help them find their next grand adventure. Call the Dean for a sit down if the clinical instruction staff can't eliminate him. This dude is a dangerous person. Medical schools should be made aware as well.

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I cant stop thinking about the nurses that will have to work with him when/if he becomes a doctor.

This sucks, I am sorry OP.

Keep in mind that these sort of hubristic displays can sometimes be defense mechanisms compensating for their own perceived shortcomings. Keep in mind that him seeing a strong, competent, more successful, younger nurse could have been hitting his ego hard. Men tend to attack perceived threats directly when threatened so in his mind he may have been trying to justify attacking your competence to justify his lack thereof.

Sucks to deal with this but take it as a complement, you are so amazing you blew his insecure mind.

ForensicNurse2997 said:
I cant stop thinking about the nurses that will have to work with him when/if he becomes a doctor.

Hopefully he will have learned some lessons by then. Otherwise, he will probably be receiving lots of phone calls regarding his orders.

"I just wanted to clarify your order for Mrs. P. It states that you want me to provide orange juice STAT because her K+ is 3.2..."

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