I've got a situation... - page 2
Hi Folks! I usually post over in the student forum but thought I'd post this particular situation here... For the past semester I've been taking a CNA class as part of a pre-requisiste to get... Read More
Nov 24, '02Joined: May '01; Posts: 365; Likes: 1Write down the incident for your own records. Maybe print out what you told us. Have the dates of the incidents. ANd the date you spoke to the administrator. As time goes you'll forget the little specifics....just incase this goes any further.
Nov 25, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Nov '99; Posts: 2,950; Likes: 619I will repeat, as this bears repeating. Immediately, if you have not already done so, write this down for your OWN records. You should have an actual copy of the statement that you turned in.
This is because when you go to court or hearing or are questioned you have Exact detailed information. Right now you know you will never forget. However, the reality is we do forget. Often it is a small but critical detail that is forgotten. Remember you will swear under oath and if you have the slightest doubt about a point or detail this can sometimes make or break a case. It could make it seem that your were not a reliable witness. Sometimes things go a couple of yearrs even before bieng asked to testify and a lot of guilty people get off because witnesses forget details.
Though this should be investigated soon a suit or charges could be filed at a later date reeeequireing a hearing. Of if the investigation finds there has been abuse it could lead to a type of court hearing much later.
You stated the nurse said complaints has been made yet the administrator had not known. I would be concerned.
Most states require that student nurses report suspected abuse to adult protective serevices. I believe your teacher was following appropriate protochol by reporting it to the facility first, and giving them the opportunity and courtesy to do it themselves. However, there is no guarentee they have reported it. As a designated reporter (by virture of your student nurse status) you have the right and (technically) the obligation to follow up to be sure the facility did follow through. I see no harm in you reporting it. However, your instructor probably does not want to step on toes as schools are dependent of facilities for thier students to have a place to do clinicals. You are thier guest. The question is do you want to jepordize your schools access to this and maybe other facilities when it get out a student reported them.
This is an ethical and legal delima for you to discuss with your instructor.
Nov 25, '02Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 931; Likes: 18Yes, it's good to keep your own records. But, I also want to reassure you that it is rare for these things to go to court, unless the family files a lawsuit in civil court. Almost always, after a report of suspected abuse is made, the facility and the State resolve it and you wouldn't be involved further.
Read carefully what recountry wrote. What she said is absolutely correct, and so there is no sense for me to repeat her good advice and experience.
To answer your question, YES, it is very appropriate for you to report it to the administrator at your instructor's request, and for you to have made a written statement.
As for you being a student, ANY person, including "civilians" should report suspected cases of abuse. As a student, CNA, nurse, or anyone involved in any direct care to patients, YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW to report. Everything you did was appropriate and right on target.
I know this is upsetting for you and a concern. Please know that you did the right thing. Thank you for being there for that patient.
Nov 25, '02Occupation: Quality Nurse & Home Health Nurse Joined: Dec '99; Posts: 3,786; Likes: 129Excellent job Bean. I can only think of two reasons why the DON didn't know when other's said she was told. 1. She really wasn't told, 2. They have had problems before, or are being sued, and she just didn't want you to think she was told. IN that case, I would be very worried that your incident report was filed into the trash can.
rn country is right, call the state to follow up, something doesn't sound right here. I'll bet they never filed this info with the state. And while I understand weasel's point of view. It has been my experience that the suspected offender is suspended and removed from the situation! NO WAY should they be cont'd to work! We once had a CNA, she was excellent, but was having serious family problems, and totally lost her patience w a confused pt, and slapped him hard across the face. She was sent home, and not to return until after the investigation. She did this right in front of other staff! She was fired after the investigation a week or so later.
Nov 25, '02Occupation: CRNA Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 2,000; Likes: 66Bean
Simple answer. You did absolutely the right thing. If the abuse can be proved, and someone loses a job, or even faces assault charges for the abuse, so much the better. Every morning, for the rest of your life, you can look in the mirror and say honestly to yourself "I made a difference in someone's life. I put a stop to abuse."
Feel good about yourself. Be proud of yourself. You deserve it.
Nov 25, '02Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 3,725; Likes: 459Bean~
God bless you Darlin'... You did the right thing.
Nov 25, '02Joined: May '02; Posts: 827; Likes: 42Bean, you did great. And now, you have been thru one of the worst things nurses go thru 1) Realizing that one of your pts is being abused and 2) doing something about it.
Nov 25, '02Occupation: Nursing Faculty Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research ; From: US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 8,317; Likes: 6,285((((Bean)))) You did a great job! Unfortunately for you, this situation is giving you a Baptism By Fire, huh? But, fortunately for your patient, you were there to stand up for her. Kudos to you- you have a great career ahead of you.
Nov 25, '02Occupation: Health Services Director for a 1100 bed county jail From: US ; Joined: Nov '02; Posts: 531; Likes: 4Good Job! You absolutely did the right thing..
Nov 27, '02Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 765; Likes: 14Bless you! You did the right thing. Many would have turned a blind eye but you didn't. I hope they get what they deserve. Abuse is wrong and it is good to see courage where it is needed. :-)