I would love some feedback please...

  1. I graduated from an AD program in 2001. A student who started with me, but failed a 1st year class, then retook the semester and failed again, is suing the college and the instructor. I just don't understand how he can do this! Isn't it the student's responsibility to PASS the classes? I don't know what he hopes to accomplish by suing, or even what his grounds for suing are. I just wondered what you all thought about students suing nursing schools when they fail. Are these the people we want taking care of us when we get older?
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  3. by   BMS4
    First, I want to say that I have some wonderful friends who I KNOW are smarter than me who failed during one particularly hard semester, they have since finished and are working. They are really good nurses.

    As for students sueing because they fail, that's ridiculous (sp?). It drives me nuts that people feel that they can sue at the drop of the hat. We don't know the whole story behind this student's failure, but unless he had hard evidence that the school failed him for some reason other his grades, I really hope he loses his case. Otherwise, it will open the flood gates. This is JMO.
  4. by   BadBird
    In my opinion I think it is a case of a person not taking responsibility for their own actions. The student has the responsibility to study and pass and not blame their failure on someone else. Now if the majority of the class failed then an investigation should begin into the curriculum and teaching. How did the rest of the class do?
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Boy we as a society are REALLY well-versed in what we perceive as rights, but our RESPONSIBILITIES that accompany such rights are much more POORLY understood. Perfect illustration of what I am saying is right in this thread.
  6. by   Angelica
    My school and at least one of my instructors are being sued by a student who was dropped last semester for poor clinical performance. I've heard that the ex-student is alleging discrimination. I do not believe in my heart that the instructor is guilty of that. I believe that the instructor was just doing her job, and part of her job is to weed out people that she considers unsafe.
  7. by   purplemania
    Instructors at the nursing school I attended were sued and the student lost. She claimed her tuition constituted a contract and the school defaulted when she failed. I work with new nurses and too many of them think that nursing school should be like high school. I even had one tell me "I don't understand why I got a "C". I was in that class every day". Too bad they were not grading on attendance.
  8. by   CountrifiedRN
    Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
    Boy we as a society are REALLY well-versed in what we perceive as rights, but our RESPONSIBILITIES that accompany such rights are much more POORLY understood. Perfect illustration of what I am saying is right in this thread.
    Well said. I don't know why so many people feel that they are entitled to something without having to work for it. I see it all the time in my school. There are some who get bad grades and blame it on the lecture, the instructor, the work load, the classroom temperature, etc, etc. These are usually the same people who show up late to class, leave early, and do other class work that's supposed to be done on our own time during the lecture. But it's never their fault.

    I do have to say, though, that I do know of one person who was dropped from the program unfairly. She had great grades, but the clinical instructor and her had a personality conflict and she ended up failing clinical. But she didn't sue, she decided to go to another school to continue, since she felt that other instructors would hold a bias against her at our school.

    I guess it would depend on the reasons for the student failing, and it would have to be a blatant error or bias on the part of the school.

    I've heard of a few law suits related to nursing schools in my area, but no student that I know of has ever won.

    Anyone ever hear of a case where the student won?
  9. by   wv_nurse 2003
    Great feedback! To answer a few questions raised--one other student other than the one who is suing failed that specific semester (the classes are small --less than 20). I can see if a student with good grades is "dropped" from a program without adequate documentation of incidents being a problem for the school and/or instructor; but that isn't the case here. Plain and simple this student failed 3 out of 5 tests, and had a final grade that was below passing. I am not sure how he thinks he would ever pass boards, but then again, as someone said, plenty of people fail boards who passed classes, and I am sure the reverse is true.
    Thanks to everyone!
  10. by   Allison S.
    I never thought of suing my nursing school, but I certainly think that some of the "education" I got was negligent.

    There were verbatim re-runs of lectures throughout the time I was there. Identical handouts, the works.

    There were also instances of faculty failing to schedule enough clinical time to satisfy the state, and then requiring the students to make it outside of the normal curriculum.

    Is any of this in violation of the contract I had to buy a PRIVATE ($$$) nursing education?
  11. by   renerian
    Never heard of that.......

  12. by   Rustyhammer
    Hmmm....I wonder who I could sue?
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by Rustyhammer
    Hmmm....I wonder who I could sue?
    Damn near anyone you take a mind to...it's the Great American Lottery, dint ya hear?!
  14. by   sjoe
    Initiating a lawsuit takes only some money and, sometimes, some legal advice.
    WINNING a lawsuit is a completely different matter indeed.

    If I, for example, wanted to waste some money and time, I could sue Brian for providing a space (this BB) in which I publicly humiliate myself through posting my own nonsense and cranky opinions.
    Winning the lawsuit would be a bit trickier, of course.