How many quit??? - page 3
I've heard that a large % of people who start the nursing program drop out - what is your experience in this? I'm worried about going so much in debt and not being able to finish the program once I... Read More
Jul 24, '04Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 4Hi all,
I am pre-nursing and just finished A&P 1 with an A..as far as study tips, I didn't have the time for a study group because I have 2 small children at home, but what helped me tremedously was I became friends with another student in my class who has children also and we studied on the phone together.
If your instructor will allow it tape the lectures so you can refer back to the lecture if you forgot something.
Another thing I did was when it came time for the dissections in lab, my lab photos were in black/white (no help when what I was to dissect was in color), I purchased a cat dissection cd and a cd on histology, all in color, so I could study better at home. An added expense on top of my books, but well spent.
As far as the drop out rate it does vary with each school and with each student, my anatomy instructor is wicked hard but she is awesome at teaching, I wouldn't take my sciences with anyone but her..she certainly knows her stuff.
The one thing she said last semester that I will never forget is if you don't like the sciences or don't do well in them because you don't like them then you shouldn't go into allied health or a field that requires so many sciences, because these courses are your bible courses for nursing/allied health, and I completely agree with her.
The majority of the students I attend class with are mostly in there 30s and 40s going back to school to pursue nursing or another allied health field, and I will say it boils down to dedication. I am 35 and have been trying to become a nurse for 15 years (marriage, children etc), but I will continue to go full force ahead, part time of course until I get that RN degree I have worked so hard for.
I feel a passion for science and helping others is the key to getting through it, if you like what your doing you will excell..too many people go into nursing for the money or they think it's easy..those are the ones who will drop out or fail because they will find out soon enough it's not about the money and it certainly isn't easy.
Hang in there, you'll do fine, and what ever you do don't let anyone discourage your decision, nursing is tough and it does have downfalls just like any other profession, but always remember why you chose nursing in the first place.
Jul 24, '04Joined: May '04; Posts: 22My freshman class started out with about 130 and 57 graduated. The school is very focused on NCLEX pass rates which they claim to be 97 percent for them.
Jul 25, '04Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 11I am one of those ppl that quit nursing school but I dont care what ppl think. I did very well my first semester but got out during the second semester. One of the reasons I left was that I thought that the Nursing model was crap. Reality is that there is "nursing" model is just a stupid catch phrase that nurses use to try and claim that they provide "different" and "better" care than doctors. Its used as a ploy to increase nurses scope of practice. They try to claim that doctors have no say over what they do because they operate under a "nursing" model whereas doctors are on a "medical" model. Its all a bunch of BS pandering and propaganda. Our nursing instructors were also trying to brain wash us into thinking that the stereotypical nurse-physician relationship of nurses deferring to doctors was a thing of the past and that nurses could do everything an MD could; nothing was further from the truth, this is laughable at best. Also, I didn't feel that nursing, at least the program I was enrolled in, didn't teach enough about the pathophysiology of disease or about medications. My clinical experience amounted to a bunch of code browns, linen changes, vitals, and the most interesting I got to do was d/c an IV. Nursing is a noble job, both my parents have their BSN, and requires a special type of individual to be successful at nursing; but for better or for worse I am more sure of the fact that Iam not that type of individual than I am anything in the world. I have decided I want to write my own orders, script medication, and operate with more autonomy; I have decided to pursue a medical education. So yes, there are ppl like me that quit nursing and just because they quit nursing doesn't necessarily mean they are idiots or they couldnt handle it, they just figure out quicker than some that they should run as for away from nursing as humanly possible.
Jul 25, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 64; Likes: 163Our ADN program started with 32 and after one year, there are 20 left. Of the 11, half quit within the first eight weeks of the first semester (before clinicals), and the others failed out. All 32 paid for the uniform!
Nursing school is one of the hardest things I have ever done, and I have done alot!
Jul 25, '04Occupation: ER RN, Dermatology/laser RN Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 41; Likes: 2Our program started with 40, and only one dropped first semester. Even the instructors were somewhat surprised by the low drop rate. I guess just an unusual group. The class behind us started with 33 and by 2nd semester had dropped to 25 (they still have 2 more to go so who knows?) I think alot of it depends on how bad you want it, and some chance--barring health and family/personal problems. Our program is good/tough with a high NCLEX pass rate too--(100% last year). You just got to want it!! Kim
Jul 26, '04Occupation: ER, ICU, HOME HEALTH Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 282; Likes: 34Reality is that there is "nursing" model is just a stupid catch phrase that nurses use to try and claim that they provide "different" and "better" care than doctors. Its used as a ploy to increase nurses scope of practice. They try to claim that doctors have no say over what they do because they operate under a "nursing" model whereas doctors are on a "medical" model. Its all a bunch of BS pandering and propaganda.
Jul 26, '04Joined: Jul '04; Posts: 11ERslave, you had to wipe so much *** and replace bed pans as a nursing student, its pathetic, I know because I did clinicals in a teaching hospital too. I never meant to imply that nurses are unintelligent. I was already "treated like a dog" as a nursing student cleaning up code browns, changing soiled linens and bathing patients,etc. There are thousands of medical students who graduate every year who have never been a nurse or gone to nursing school, so the fact that I chose to leave nursing school will have nothing to do with performance in medical school; I didn't leave nursing because I couldn't handle the material, like the vast majority of ppl in nursing school I left behind one career in the pursuit of another. Just what makes you think you have any idea what my capabilities as a healthcare provider are, you are the one that needs to leave their ego @ home and you clearly do not know any more about what medical school is like since you have never been. You certainly wouldn't lash out like this to a premed who who went into nursing instead would you? I won't apologize because I don't believe in the nursing model, feel free to quote me again. And yes, I am sure I will be in for a big surprise when I encounter nurses such as you who want to be treated as the profesionals they are and do not like be stigmatized as being the handmaidens of doctors, yet perpetuate onto aspiring physicians the stereotypical motivations to study medicine. With nurses like yourself, I'll take my chances with the attendings as a medical student and resident.
Jul 26, '04Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 3,725; Likes: 459In LPN classes, we had a few drop out, and a few more who simply didn't make it, and yet a few more who failed a class or two, but went back and finished. I don't know the exact numbers, but we kept and graduated the better part of 80 (maybe 68-72 of us graduated?).
For my BSN, I don't know, haven't gotten to that point yet.... I know the school accepts 40.
Jul 26, '04Occupation: Clinical Director Joined: Sep '01; Posts: 7; Likes: 1Hang in there!!! My A&P instructor was a boring monotone who put us all to sleep! I was working night shift as a Nurses Aide while in Nursing School. My Nursing instructor told me that I would never pass and that I would not make a good nurse. Well after 25+ years since I graduated I have work in PICU, CVICU, CCU, Trauma, ER, Neurotrauma, I am now a Clinical Director with my CCRN anc CNRN. So much for what she knew!
Stick to your books, find a study partner, dig down deep in your soul, and don't let anyone discourage you or tell you what you can not acheive!
Jul 26, '04Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 6,885; Likes: 12,485Quote from notamannurseanymoRCCI think the decision to pursue medical education is a complex one, and I wish you luck in your studies. However, when I read the above part of your post, the first thing that occurred to me was that you simply didn't stick around long enough to get to the "good" stuff. In my program, by the second semester we were passing meds, and in this 3rd semester we've expanded that to include IV meds, and observing, assisting and in some instances taking responsibility for more procedures than I can name here. Our assignments each week include demonstrating our plan for all aspects of the pt.'s care. When caring for 3 or more pts. we've been encouraged to ask the aides/PCTs for help when appropriate.My clinical experience amounted to a bunch of code browns, linen changes, vitals, and the most interesting I got to do was d/c an IV.
Good luck to you.
Jul 26, '04Occupation: pct Joined: May '04; Posts: 137; Likes: 2choosing nursing, i know what i want to do and why. it is hard way to go through, but i cannot imagine not to study so hard when after all i am going work with people and on people. i woudl never give my own baby, mom, or any from my family to someone who is not competent to do tasks which he or she suppose to do. that is why nursing or other medical fields are so demanding and hard, but if person realize it and know that effort put during these years will percent later on.
i would never quit. not that i do not consider that, but i just keep in mind that many other go through it before me and will after and it just up to me if i want to quit, give up because i feel so tired to learn and be good nurse in future or other way if nursing is not for me after all so that is why i would consider quiting. for now, i feel nervous, anxious, irritable, but also happy and on the right way.
my advice, consider if nursing is for you. if you feel in the right place, if you feel that helping other this way is what you reaaly want to do. if there is something else what you can replace nursing for. what makes you more happy, what is more interesting for you etc...
you cannot say that you would waist time during school (if you quit), because people always learn thru life experiences. you are more rich in your nursing experience that you think and even changing to somethind else will gine you goods which you realize later on.
but keep your faith, hope... all of us has bad and good days and no matter on it is worth to try and love what you do and do it.
Jul 26, '04Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 4Quote from tmiller027Oh crap, that about little over half of what i am paying right now for my private college BS in nursing. Count your self lucky!!The nurses I work with told me at the community college here, they have a fairly high dropout rate, like 10 to 20 percent.
At the private school i"m going to now though, I've been told they have a VERY low drop out rate, around 1 or 2 percent. I think part of that is, the private school has tougher admisson requirements, and costs $15,000 a year as opposed to $3000 a year. Most of us figure if we're paying that kind of money, to go the distance.
Jul 26, '04Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 2,659; Likes: 21Don't be scared by drop out rates, why not ask your school's statistics (if they keep records from year to year)?
The BSN program I'm attending averages 1-2 drop-outs per 50-60 person class by graduation time. Not too shabby, I think. I don't know if it's because they take people with high academic records, or because it's just a supportive (albeit difficult) environment.