Horror story......

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

I'd also like to point out that I'm fairly certain the current laws make it illegal to hack into, put a worm or exploit on, my computer or servers to obtain my files and search my computer. THAT is illegal search and seizure and any valid search warrant obtained USING that information that was obtained should be thrown out.

This is no different than obtaining entry into my home by taping the door latch so that once I leave, you can push the door open and search my home, and then obtain a valid search warrant by stating "well, I saw some weapons in her home, and they were performing anal sex and that's against the law...." Um NO. The method by which you obtained that information is ILLEGAL. The end does not justify the means.

Youda · Nov 16, 2002

woundnurse, it is definitely impossible to get off the spam mailers once you get on. There's a terrific little free program that you can download that will "bounce" back to the sender anything you want to bounce, and gives the bounced email the exact same appearance as if the email addy was dead. What this does is tell them that your email address is no longer valid and they remove it from the list. In reality, your email address is still valid. I've used this program for a couple of years, and I love it! A wonderful way to fight spammers, viruses and Media. (Also keeps it from ever getting onto your computer in the first place!)

http://www.mailwasher.net

Youda · Nov 16, 2002

Susy, this thread is about one incident reported in a news report. Mediaography laws seem closely related to that subject. There are different laws for breaking and entering your house, monitoring of computer activity, and child Mediaography. It would really be like comparing apples to oranges. So if you would like to discuss general internet laws and privacy, the new Homeland Security bill which will wipe out any internet privacy you think you still have, then perhaps you could start a separate thread?

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

I don't see it as different at all. Tracy rightfully mentioned her concern with hacking into one's personal computer by illegal means. I share that concern. I have concerns about the Homeland Security Bill as well, yes, which is instituted out of fear of terrorism.

You mentioned the link Youda, as a response to our concerns above. We simply challenged you that until the Homeland Security Law is reality, hacking into my computer or using a worm to see my files is illegal. WE were responding to YOU. Maybe you should've placed your link on a different thread?

baseline · Nov 16, 2002

Well.....this was interesting...now its not....enjoy the fray.

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

Basline..

I agree. It's time to.....

Youda · Nov 16, 2002

Susy, I referred you to the original bills. We already discussed this. You already made your concern, and I answered that concern with the reference to the law. You might read the Acts in their entirety. Let's move on, shall we? I think you're posting so fast that you aren't taking the time to really read the laws. That's OK, we all get passionate about our points of view.

Peace!

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

Youda, one last comment before this thread takes its turn, and that is that your reference to the law wasn't adequate with what we were really referring to. Edited to clarify: Tracy and I are concerned with illegally gaining access to one's files. There is no law currently that allows for that, and nothing in your link demonstrates this - as it is illegal. IF the Homeland Security Bill is a reality - THEN you could argue, but until then, it's illegal. Plain and simple.

capgirl · Nov 16, 2002

I have heard on the local news that this nurse not only downloaded the kiddie Media, but then in turn posted it on his own website. The National Clearinghouse for missing and exploited children routinely surfs the web looking for kiddie Media, hence that is how he was caught - when they saw it, they reported it to the police.

Innocent until proven guilty? I dont see how he could explain that away, it seems fairly cut and dry to me. A person could not MISTAKENLY post it to their own website......

I worked with this nurse in 2000, and I would NEVER, EVER, EVER have guessed this about him. He was always a good nurse, and everyone liked working with him. I guess that goes to prove you cannot ever be sure about ANYONE....

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Nov 16, 2002

Originally posted by Susy K
Heather,

Scary. That could happen to MY husband. Sorry, but having files of child Media on your computer is not indicative of pedophila, in my opinion.

No, but passing it on to others as it states in the article sure does indicate that he knew what he was downloading and was sharing it with other freaks who were interested in it. Doesn't sound like "accidental downloading" to me. And sorry, but if downloading Media on your computer puts you in the precarious position of possibly being targeted for being a pedophile, then why do it?

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

Originally posted by [email protected]
And sorry, but if downloading Media on your computer puts you in the precarious position of possibly being targeted for being a pedophile, then why do it?

Because we're not pedophiles, we don't run a website with links to kiddie Media, and currently the law protects us from someone hacking into our webserver which is NOT publicly displayed, and viewing our files. And also, it's our right to download Media if we choose.

Besides, that's like stating that we realize that being Muslim may make you possibly being targeted for terrorism, so why practice Muslim? I don't agree with that position.

In effect, if this nurse went to a website and downloaded kiddie Media, and also ran a public website in which he was sharing files, then that is legit in catching him. But until we knew that information, it was scary to think that someone may have illegally obtained access to his computer.

flowerchild · Nov 16, 2002

That is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier on this thread. To quote myself: " The authorities that are working on this particular case are experts in their field. They know the difference between someone inadvertanly getting someithing off a newsgroup and someone who is doing FTP through thier own computer program and uploading files to a server or newsgroup on the internet." FTP is file transfer protocol and is when you upload pictures, documents, and other items directly from your computer files onto a server and is used for updating web sites. It is done manually and intentionally. They wouldn't have arrested this guy if they didn't have the evidence to nail him.

To Suzy K, In light of these times and technological capabilities of our government, I think you are playing with fire. Doing things that others find offensive in our society comes with risks. Laws change and when they do, the authorities like to make examples out of someone. You have said too much imo already right here on this BB. I have no qualms about what you do in the privacy of your home and expect the same level of privacy in my own home. BUT, when you do certain activities that would be questionable by society, you are outwardly allowing yourself to be at risk. In other words, don't do it on the front lawn and if you do, then expect the possible consequences. To maintain your privacy, you must protect yourself by being diligent in hiding your activities from others. Posting on BB's, using FTP, the internet, and even newsgroups, email, use of cell phones, and even your wireless phone in your own home are not private activities and you should not believe the law would stand behind you when the activity includes things that are illegal. Please don't think I'm attacking you, b/c that is not my intention. Only trying to give you a different point of view and imo, a valid warning.