But she's not a nurse! - page 4
I just started a new position running a clinic. The clinic is staffed by myself and one CNA. I am so happy to be working with this CNA as she has over 15 years experience working in this clinic and... Read More
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Clinic, HHC, Peds Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 567; Likes: 14Thank you so very much to all who have responded to this thread. You have given me much to ponder.
Today, I changed all the handouts. They now say either Diane _______R.N. or I removed the names altogether and left a blank for either one of us to sign. It was easy to do since I had to make changes anyway to add my name to the literature. There is only one handbook that I can't change till next year...and I plan on just using our names and title without the Nurse word being used. Since I am in charge of everything that has to do with the clinic, I didn't need to go through any channels to make the change. I didn't mention it to Judy, I just did it. I figure, if she asks I'll tell her why I made the change. From a legal standpoint, I think she would agree as she is a real CYA type of person and wouldn't want to place herself at risk. I'm basically just CYA for both of us, b/c if I referred to her as Nurse Judy too and printed the materials that way, wouldn't I too be falsifying our own clinics credentials and also be held responsible for that false pretense??
I really do like Judy and I wouldn't want to see anything happen to either of us. To clarrify: We are on our own in this clinic, we'd be lucky to see the doc once a year and it wouldn't be at our clinic. I get my orders from the patients primary doctor to provide the care that we give. It is the patients AND coworkers who refer to her as Nurse Judy. I am not intending on correcting them just yet......After I develop my own relationships with others, I can then discreetly tell them what up and why. They are professional themselves in thier own right, and they all have thier own assistants. They would never allow the assistants to be called by thier own earned titles and the assistants are very quick to tell me that they are assistants to avoid confusion. So I think they will understand very quickly and naturally comply with the proper designated titles. It is illegal in my state to call yourself a nurse unless you are an LPN or RN. period.. So that is solved IMO.
I absolutly love my job. The environment is what we will make it. She has the experience and enough knowlege to have earned her respect, from me and others. I will include her in the major decisions that we will face. I will learn from her and she from me. I see us becoming great allies and perhaps if we're lucky, we can become friends too. I don't intend on messin' up a good thing. So I'm definatly not going to push the issue.
Your reinforcement and answers are appreciated. Thank you for keeping it civil and respectful. Enjoyable and helpful reading.
Aug 1, '02Occupation: research nurse Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 1,878; Likes: 44Yay, Flowerchild!
Aug 1, '02From: NY, US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 4,130; Likes: 91whoa whoa whoa....sooooo who was the licensed nurse prior to your arrival? was there one?????or was this MA working wihtout supervision????
Aug 1, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Sounds like you've got it handled nicely Flowerchild!!
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Retired Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 4,288; Likes: 31I delivered my daughter and I dellivered this baby once while backpacking (remind me to tell you the story sometime).
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Medical Asst. Student Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 29I understand all of your posts.
I am a MA and will be taking my National Exam in Jan. to become a CMA. I am also a Phlebotomist, and will also be taking my National Exam in Jan. to become certified. I am finishing up my Associates Degree in MA.
Doctors around here, too, call their CMA's nurses and only a few will correct themselves when told.
I don't know about anywhere else, but where I live CMA's are certified to draw blood, draw up meds, give injections, start IV's, take vitals, do EKG's, call in prescriptions, do urinalysis testing, culture plates, and assist the doctors with procedures in the medical office, plus do front office duties. We are trained to work primarily in Doctor's office's, not hospitals, but some do.
Although we all have different licensure's (Doctor, RN, LPN, CMA, CNA, RMT, etc), we all have one great thing in common, and that is to take care of our patients with the best care we can give them within our scope of practice. Belle
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Clinic, HHC, Peds Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 567; Likes: 14sunnygirl, an RN, yes, no.
Aug 1, '02Occupation: Clinic, HHC, Peds Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 567; Likes: 14Doc Hammer, I'd love to hear the story about the backpacker! Delivering your daughter must have been a wonderful experience!
Aug 1, '02Occupation: RN-i (RETIRED) Specialty: ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89 ; From: US ; Joined: May '00; Posts: 14,479; Likes: 2,298Well done, Flowerchild. And perhaps you could start a trend of "Miz Judy" or "Miz J" like we do here in SC.
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Aug 1, '02Occupation: RN in L&D Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 720; Likes: 185BBelle
I am sure MA's are very well trained and professtionals in their own right. I havent seen a post here that stated otherwise.
But you are not nurses. In addition to the skills you listed nurses are trained to assess patients and to know the appropreate actions to take in a varitry of medical situations.
Although I think the indirect approch flower child took in this situation was appropreate. I think We need to petition the ANA to push the issue of only useing the tittle nurse if you are licensed as such.
Aug 1, '02Occupation: LPN long term care facility Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 41; Likes: 8Nurse- A person who is skilled and trained in caring for the sick....
I took the liberty of using a dictionary, you know that thing that defines words. Well of course you do, you paid the money and got that big college degree right.
sorry, just playing devels advocate...........
but anyway that is what it says according to
it dont say nuttin about hav'n a degree in anyting!
Aug 1, '02Occupation: RN in L&D Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 720; Likes: 185many nurses dont have a degree and I dont think anyone has mentioned that as criteria to be a nurse.
Im sure if you looked up doctor it wouldent say anything about 8 years of college and 4 years of residancy( or however long it is). I doubt it would mention licensing. Yet how many people have you seen sent to prison for impersonating doctors?