Anybody ever hear of The Hunter Group?

1. the hunter group who is supposed o be a renound cosulting group for hospitals in trouble finished the evaluation of our sstem and made a bunch of suggestions, some i agree with, some i don't. has everybody in an uproar, from jim kelly (former bill quaterback) to the goo goo dolls because they want to move the childrens hospital. aywho i was just wondering if anybody else has any experience with this group.

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   Mar 1, '02

   I tried looking them up on Google.com
   
   There are several different Hunter Groups, from fish and wildlife to hospitality and head hunting. Any more info?
   
   Frankly I believe while a fresh view on things is sometimes needed, I resent consultants being brought in without some personal experience in the area and with the population affected.
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   Mar 1, '02

   This group has a bad reputation with most floor nurses. According to other post I have seen when they get done with a hospital most nurses are not very happy with their jobs.

   Last edit by oramar on Mar 2, '02
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   Mar 1, '02

   Not to mention the cost of "consultants" and how many of the changes they recommend reduces the number of nurses at the bedside.
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   Mar 1, '02

   Has EVERYBODY in an uproar, from Jim Kelly (Former Bill Quaterback) to the Goo Goo Dolls

   NOT a good sign when the "CONSULTANT'S" advice is causing an uproar in a community. Community image is EVERYTHING for a hospital, especially one in financial trouble to begin with.
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   Mar 2, '02

   O...M...G... The Hunter group came through our hospital a few years ago, and it has taken a very, very long time to recover. First of they charge ~$6mil for the privilege of coming into your hospital and turning everything in it upside down and bassackwards. People are fired, esp lower level ancillary help and bedside RN's are "down-sized"--work even harder w/even less help. If you have something "frivolous" like a translation service, or an escort service (to take pts. to other departments, like), that goes out right away; things rapidly go from bad to worse after that.
   
   The Hunter Group is a nightmare! Truely, truely awful! YOu have my deepest sympathies. ,
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   Mar 2, '02

   Came through University of Pennsylvania 2-3 years ago. MASSIVE LAYOFFS always occur in their wake. Recommeded too deep cuts that were carried out. Saved money initially but long term effect downsizing problem and patient delays ensued. Staff slowly returned near previous levels. Severe image rebuilding to staff + community. Loss of patients too.
   
   Another group used them---idea to focus one hospital as
   "Womens' services" Ob + gyn---tried for two years and failed in Philadelphia. Didn't understand that in established cities, citizens very intrenched on wanting to use their local hospital and not willing to travel 10 miles to another place. That idea might work in suburban or new community.
   
   Other hospitals across country used them. Those that chose the less severe recomendations escaped with least image problems + rebuilding.
   
   Agree with prmenrs, you have my sympathy and prayers.
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   Mar 2, '02

   i.e. those that know nurse, doctor, ancillary staff needs?
   
   I was joking with a fellow traveler just yesterday about US being able to streamline a floor unit with our suggestions. As a traveler - per deim agency nurse who has been to a lot of places, I can honestly say I can size a place up within a few hours and figure out the problem areas for efffctiveness. I am certain there are many a health care professional who could add much positive input into this topic (IMHO).
   
   Just wonderin........
   
   B.
   
   
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    Mar 2, '02

    Revolution magazine had a very good article on them a couple years ago. This is a group of healthcare consultants that put pure profit in front of anything that resembles reasonable healthcare. When they went through the 6 hospitals in and around the Detroit area that are linked together they made an incredible mess. Yes, they reduced cost, but they did so by decreasing the number of RNs on the floor, decreasing supplies and equipment. Literally a nurse from Detroit Regional was arrested when she was found pulling IV poles out of the dumpster from another hospital because Regional didn't have enough. While they are busy doing all this they make an incredible amount of money themselves. The top people in the group making more in a month then you or I will make in a year, even with plenty of overtime. I don't know if you can find the article that was in Revolution on them online, but would guess that if you asked the magazine they would get you a reprint.
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    Mar 2, '02

    No kidding that is what Revolution Magazine calls them. It was in Nov.-Dec. 2001 . Vol.2-No.6
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    Mar 2, '02

    OH yea I have heard of the Hunter Group.......Bad news. they came to our hospital and did terrible damage. said we were overstaffed...spoke of layoffs. the hospital was stupid enough to hire one of the consultants for the OR!!! many many people quit. The consultant was FIRED. and they brought in new surgery director. Trying to repair the damaged caused by the hunter group. I wish you the best of luck.
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    Mar 2, '02

    Kewl, can't your union do ANYTHING to stop these cutthroats before they destroy your hospital????
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    Mar 2, '02

    Thanks for the input. Looks like I'll be moving after i get laid off. Our union is actually siding with the hospital, can you believe that. The union that represents the nurses at the childrens hospital said they are willing to renegotiate teh contract! Just so they can keep the childrens hospital from moving. Gee I wonder why this town is soooooo F'ed up! I will try to find the revolution artical and fax it to the union or at least spread it around the hospital.

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