60 Minutes Foreign nurse recruiting - page 3
The 60 Minutes program this evening will have a snippet on overseas recruiting to fill positions at US hospitals. I wonder what they'll say about the nursing shortage. There are a couple of other... Read More
Jun 10, '02Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 3,165; Likes: 59Originally posted by mattsmom81
I wish they would have spent more time focusing on the reasons behind the shortage and appropriate solutions. IMO they spent way too much time focusing on foreign recruitment.
We really need to educate the public here, folks. I keep seeing articles on the teacher shortage, and nothing appropriate on the nursing shortage.
I must be missing something. Who runs the media, anyhow? more suits?
Jun 10, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 75; Likes: 1I too was disgusted at the 60 minutes report. It seems that the liberal media will take any opportunity to bash the big bad Americans. Instead of warning the public on how bad conditions are, the reasons for these conditions, whose to blame for them, and examining possible solutions, we were inundated with pity for the third world countries losing their RNs to us. Too bad for them. I pity their citizens but these people just want a better life. If CBS really wanted a "cause" then they should have looked at the "slave" labor that the imported nurses are held to as well as their own good ol' citizens...US!! Working conditions are horrendous and what do they do? Point out that S Africa has 10:1 nurse patient ratios. What about here where some floor chicks (and guys) have 15 patients? This burns me !!! And I will now go don me flame retardant suit since I was verbally bashed on another site for saying that foreign recruitment is bad for us.
Jun 10, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 826; Likes: 16ERICACCRN -- couldn't have said it better myself. The focus on "60 Minutes" was how the US was luring away South African Nurses to fill our own shortages. Yes, this is unethical. A better show would have been on nursing in 2002 -- the nursing shortage -- why there is a nursing shortage. I'm signing off this post now & am going to the "60 Minutes" website to suggest this. Hospitals are spending millions recruing foreign nurses who commit for TWO years -- let's recruit our citizens into nursing by making it a desirable profession (once again). Short term incentives don't work. Safe staffing, adequate resources, reasonable benefits -- insurance, sick time, vacation time, available/affordable child care, good tuition reimbursement, good pensions -- these will bolster recruitment AND retention.
Good thoughts to you all.
Jun 10, '02Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Great idea, Sue! Let's all of us bombard the 60 minute website with our opinions of their show and how they SHOULD BE coverin the nursing shortage!
Jun 10, '02Occupation: RN Joined: May '02; Posts: 6; Likes: 1Of course Hospitals are recruiting overseas. That is where they will find "Good Girls" who will do exactly as they are told.
They don't want nurses they want obedience.
Jun 10, '02Joined: Sep '01; Posts: 16,606; Likes: 680Originally posted by NRSKarenRN
June 9, 7 p.m. ET/PT
NURSING SHORTAGE - As over 120,000 nurse positions go unfilled in the U.S., recruiters must seek nurses in countries like South Africa, which can ill afford to lose them. Lesley Stahl reports.
Jun 10, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 75; Likes: 1These posts are great. Glad to see I am not the only one who feels this way.
You are right about the number of nurses here that are not practicing due to the **** that we are force fed.
I also agree with the comment made about the foreigners only being a "quick fix" with their two year committment.
Absolutely right about the obedience stuff. They can hold these foreign nurses over a barrell with the threats of deprotation if they rock the boat (aka UNIONIZE). I have worked with many of these nurses (mostly Phillipino) who take whatever management dishes out & act as the little snitches too in order to suck up.
Jun 11, '02Joined: Aug '01; Posts: 892; Likes: 3The Filipino nurses I work with are here to stay. They are not here for a couple of years. Most have been here ten years or more and have brought their children, spouses, cousins , brothers and sisters over also. Most came alone and within two years brought the spouse and kids over. If the spouse is a nurse also, they came at the same time. When their parents come to visit, pop always has chest pain during his visit , and the U.S. taxpayer foots the bill for his by-pass operation. I've seen so many Filipino moms and pops recovering from their U.S. taxpayer surgeries, I couldn't begin to count them. When you hear someone is coming for a visit, you know there is a surgery on their agenda.
And don't dare complain about one of them....any criticism is circulated amongst them and it might take a year, but they will write you up and harass you until you are out of there. In my city, there are three large hospitals. Quite a few hold down full time jobs in two hospitals. And most have relatives working in the same hospital or in one of the other hospitals. Anything that happens in one hospital, they call their relatives, and everyone that is Filipino knows what is going on in the other hospitals. They don't advertise this. You might be working with a nurses' spouse or sister, and they won't bother to inform you.
Knowledge is power.
Jun 11, '02Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 387There was an article in the paper where the BC nurses union was called racist and regressive for putting a stop to overseas recruitment right now. The only reason they have is over 300 members have had their jobs changed or eliminated with the budget cuts, so they want to make sure nurses already working here get first dibs on the vacant jobs. Anyone want to tell me how that's regressive or racist (especially considering there are visible minorities among the 300 whose jobs the union is protecting)?
Jun 11, '02Occupation: Worrywort Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 1,349; Likes: 16Because racism sells papers and companies that own hospitals also own newspapers.
Integrity in journalism is a thing of the past.
Jun 11, '02Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 387Of course that's true. It is just so stupid too. Why would we bring nurses here who will be bumped out of their jobs in a few months?!
Jun 11, '02Occupation: Registered Nurse Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 900; Likes: 35PRN NURSE your racism sickens me and your facts are totally wrong. I KNOW FOR A FACT that thge US does not pay for the Filipino nurses education and ut is not a automatic ticket over here. For the many years up till last year it was almost impossible to get a visa for filipina workers to come over healthcare or otherwise. . I am married to one of your "filipina" nurses...she is now a US CITIZEN. We have brought her mother over for a visit many times, and never once has surgery been on the schedule. You have not footed one penny of her stay her nor of any other filipino's stay oin this country that I know.
I hope and pray that you never work with me because this WHITE AMERICAN (who according to your beliefs should ber the only type of nurse) will make your racist loving life a living hell.
Jun 11, '02Occupation: Worrywort Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 1,349; Likes: 16I think the facts are just to ugly for the general public to believe.
I was talking to somebody about the 6o mins piece and all they could talk about was that poor S. Africa
When I started to bring up the fact that the situation already exists here in the states without our nurses going anywhere, they just looked at me like a couple of cows on the side of the road. I started talking about the conditions that a nurse here is already dealing with like 1:12 ratios and mandatory overtime, increased responsibility, they were shocked.
I think that at the mention of mandatory overtime they just shut down. They just couldn't believe it. The guy's expression was like "you mean on the spur-of-the-moment? Whenever they want?".....................I said "yea, the managers even know they have a hole in the schedule. The administration knows they don't have the staff. Instead of hiring adequate staff or paying an agency they know that no matter what the nurse has to stay"
They just couldn't believe it. Then I said "there are licensed nurses here in the states already that could fill those positions so why are they recruiting S. African nurses? Because they already work under similar conditions."
He just wouldn't believe me.:stone
It's time for a comprehensive nonbiased documentry news piece..............but where would you find a nonbiased news source?
Name a media company that doesn't already have thier hand in the cookie jarLast edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jun 11, '02