I aM floored. I just received notice from GA Board of Nursing that they denied the endorsement of my MN RN license because I did not meet clinical practice requirements . When I called the board, they transferred me to a their Legal Nurse Consultant who stated that effective July 1, 2008 GA would no longer endorse RN license from Excelsior College students with no previous RN experience. She suggested that I go to my licensed state and work for a while then try again, but she could not give me a time frame.
Has anyone else experienced this. I thought we should at least have gotten some sort of notice/warning before this type of rule be adopted by the board. I am going to file a motion for reconsideration using an Attorney. Before I entered Excelsiors program I called GA Board to verify acceptance. I had been accepted to a traditional LPN to RN bridge program; I could have been almost finished their too. I am so sad right now. I have been crying for two days. I think I will need to see my doctor for Zoloft.
I have been an LPN for over 13 years doing Med/Surg for at least 10. I work on a hospital unit right now. THIS IS SO UNFAIR!!!:banghead:
Pauliegirl is an EC employee. She reads and posts here. What she does with the info....IDK. But they are aware. Pauliegirl, what are you guys doing on your end?
Specializes in med/surg,peds,hemodialysis,LT care,MDofc.
Pauliegirl is an EC employee. She reads and posts here. What she does with the info....IDK. But they are aware. Pauliegirl, what are you guys doing on your end?
Hi rjlchef!!
Pauliegirl is awesome!! She is just monitoring for our success stories:rckn: ...for EC data collection.. I spoke with her a few times when this whole mess started with the GA BON, she was very encouraging and informative when I was kinda panic-stricken and needed it most; I am still following advice she gave me in August!
Okay, exactly to whom are we to be writing letters to and about what bill?? This is getting a bit out of hand with the new bills this women is trying to get passed. Thanks!!
Helicoptergal "The article says that California Board of RN attempted to work with the College in coming to a decision that would both satisfy EC still being accepted in Calif. and coming to a reasonable clinical experience sufficient to satisfy licensure. The issues of that being Insurance and who would act as a point of contact in specific facilities to teach the nursing students. Throughout my education I found it very intersting that California did not have a CPNE site being that Calif. is one of the largest states. I travelled to texas for my CPNE. If my memory serves me(LOL) Georgia has a CPNE test site. Why cant there bew some sort of agreement between GA BRN and EC to satisfy the clinical requirement so EC can continue to have GA rn students continue there education. Just a thought. I am also curious what the California BRN proposed to EC to continue licensure. Sorry for such a long post."
I agree with u on so many levels. When I stated a similar opinion, the board just jumped all over me. I was a little p'ed off with EC @ the time in my post may have reflected that. But, my major reason for posting, was why can't EC agree to work with the boards to come up with some clinical's. If, students are willing to pay 1800 plus, dollars for the cpne + travel+room and board+workshops, turn around and fail (most ), then pay this all over again. Surly, most would be willing to use that money for some clinical's to ensure they will be licence in any state they chose.
I am not saying this because i feel like I am not qualified, or others are not qualified and need clinical's. Some time we have to take classes we don't think we need ie humanities, and information lit. But we do it and do it well, because its a requirement to obtain your ultimate goal.
EC, i love u, because your helping to obtain my dream, but if you want to keep helping other student, please you have to change, your curriculum. Because alot of states seem to be following suit, because of what the national BRN is saying.
i am very sorry, i realize that you must be receiving an avalanche of misdirected email messages.
i only acted according to the publicly posted information at the georgia state senate web site link (see below.) apparently it has not been updated, and i was unaware; jim butterworth is not listed at all yet!
i will send a message requesting a correction to the web site. you may wish to do the same.
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
I am seeing multiple posts that say maybe EC should do something. I am just curious. What exactly do they need to be doing that they are not already doing? This is the way EC has been teaching for years. As many here have so passionately and articulately pointed out, EC students demonstrate talent and success. We have passed the NCLEX more often than the national average. What more do we want? I get letters and emails all the time from EC (I am an EC graduate) that encourage me to be active politically, and I know they have been in contact with the various nay-saying nursing boards around the country.
If you guys want a clinical component, go to a traditional nursing school. As a paramedic, I chose EC because I felt with my pre-hospital and ER experience that traditional nursing school clinical experiences didn't have anything to offer me. That is not to say I wouldn't have learned anything, but I honestly felt then (and now) that the knowledge gap would be covered in the "book" studies.
The problem is not with EC. Not by a long shot. The problem is with all of the Sharon Coopers out there. Bigoted, backward thinkers who say they believe in nursing ideals (like evidence based decisions or compassion) but clearly do not. This problem is not new. Horizontal violence in nursing is rampant. Don't know why that information doesn't make it into the Johnson and Johnson commercials, but it doesn't.
In the past, I have also felt that EC should offer clinicals in lieu of the CPNE, so I know where these opinions come from. My experience since then, however, has completely changed my opinion. I truly feel that the EC method is as sound as any other nursing program. They have tightened up entrance requirements and the CPNE is tough enough. As I laughingly told my wife (also a nurse), EC new grads are just as equally clueless as brick and mortar new grads. Thank God for new grad programs/nurse residencies!
I do think the school probably needs to make the public aware via newspaper ads, like the one they did on Thanksgiving Day in the AJC. If the public is not reminded of the status of this matter on a regular basis, they will forget. The public needs to be as properly outraged about this as we are.
EC also needs to properly dispel the untruthful rumors that are being spread to the general public, like the lie about EC students take all of their exams open book, without a proctor. I had to drive two hours to the nearest Sylvan every time I had to take an exam, and I was on camera he entire time, with a proctor watching me! The other untruth about no experience being required, that anyone can get into EC with just a high school diploma, is just a-load-of-crap sort of lie, and we all know that. Oh, and let's not forget the one how we don't study nursing theory or nursing process. The list goes on and on...
Also, I want to know if the lobbyist who is here in ATL representing EC is being allowed into Il Duce's HHS Committee meetings. If not, then the suppression of the opposition's voice makes those meetings fascist-styled meetings. And, if someone is attending those meetings on our behalf, then that person needs to be posting the results of those meetings in one location we can frequently check so we are not caught off-guard when she spawns another bill against us.
As far as additional clinicals go, I still maintain that career experience, coupled with the courses we take, is sufficient. God knows, I had already completed all of my clinicals from my traditional nursing school and passed. The reason I chose Regents was I did not want to duplicate what I had already completed. If I had chosen another nursing school, I would have been on a waiting list for two years, then I would have had to repeat everything I had already completed in my three years in my program. It would have been starting over, and that was not an option for me.
If I could get enough people together to make a good-sized crowd, I'd be willing to picket the House of Representatives on days when the HHS committee are meeting. We just really need to present a really tight, united front against the fascist attempts being made against us. So far, we have made progress, but if Cooper has her way, there won't even be a waiver anymore, the way HB 610 (I think that is the number on it) reads. There will be no more approval by the board, it will all hinge on where you went to school.
And Ivan, you are so right about the horizontal abuse in nursing. This kind of oppression, fascism and elitism has been around for years. It is time for it to stop, NOW...
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
I do think the school probably needs to make the public aware via newspaper ads, like the one they did on Thanksgiving Day in the AJC. If the public is not reminded of the status of this matter on a regular basis, they will forget. The public needs to be as properly outraged about this as we are.
EC also needs to properly dispel the untruthful rumors that are being spread to the general public, like the lie about EC students take all of their exams open book, without a proctor.
I hear you. I just feel like they are doing a lot. I feel they are doing enough. I think the burden should fall on the ANA/GNA and the political process (with our support of course). I do recognize that the problem with that route is time. Time that current EC students/recent grads don't have. I know that this is probably a topic for a whole new discussion, but I feel like this issue perfectly represents just how framented and ununitied nursing is as a whole. That includes nursing as a practice, nursing education, and nursing politics. As an excercise for grad school once, the class had to define nursing. We couldn't. How many other professions this large have that problem?
You are so right. Textbook definitions aside, what we do, what we believe, what we hold dear differs from nurse to nurse. This is being made so obvious with all the rhetoric being spouted by Cooper and Keeton and the nursing students who have adapted a lemmings-like mentality (I SHALL FOLLOW THE LEADER, NO MATTER WHAT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED), I guess because it is easier to take the word of someone than it is to do your own research. Not smarter, not more altruistic, just easier.
This just in from Representative Kevin Levitas' newsletter:
2009 SESSION: CROSSOVER WEEK
"Do or Die" Legislative Week. This Thursday will mark "Crossover Day" for this session of the Georgia General Assembly, which will decide the fate of much legislation for 2009.
Crossover Day marks the last chance for measures to be approved by either the House or the Senate and sent to the other chamber for consideration during this session. Any legislation that does not get passed in one of these chambers by Thursday will have to wait until 2010 for futher action. This is a rather anxious time for legislators working hard to move their legislative proposals.
Also:
Health and Human Services Reorganization. Governor Perdue has proposed reorganizing the current Department of Human Resources and realigning many of its functions in new agencies to be known as the Department of Health, the Department of Human Services, and the Department of Behavioral Health. The realignment is being proposed to focus services in a single department. The proposal is still under consideration by the General Assembly.
So, what are the chances Cooper can get her three bills passed through the House by Thursday? And, doesn't it sound like the HHS committee are going to have a whole lot more on their plate to worry about besides sidelining a bunch of competent nurses?
. When I called the board, they transferred me to a their Legal Nurse Consultant who stated that effective July 1, 2008 GA would no longer endorse RN license from Excelsior College students with no previous RN experience. She suggested that I go to my licensed state and work for a while then try again, but she could not give me a time frame.
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Pauliegirl is an EC employee. She reads and posts here. What she does with the info....IDK. But they are aware. Pauliegirl, what are you guys doing on your end?