free training to be EN or go to uni and study RN?

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What is better to be offered free training to be an enrolled nurse(div2) or to go uni and study for the RN for better opportunities down the track but have a student debt?

With all your replies and I have given you all kudos, I still fail to see any logic in closing beds, putting patient lives at risk so NURSES can get a pay rise!

Do not try to convince me that nurses save lives and are saintly when they are closing beds, putting lives at risk so they can get an extra dollar per hour.

You are not in a unique position to demand higher wages, leave the industry and 10 will replace you. Do the maths. Nurses on strike have poor numeracy skills and give nursing a bad name.

Do I really want to be in a industry where I risk patients lives so I can get a pay rise? How many strikes do I have to participate during a nursing career? Am I really focusing on the patient or the money?

Thanks for putting me off a nursing career. No wonder there's a high dropout rate in nursing. You are overworked, over stressed and neurotic. :)

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Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Nurses are not closing beds unless it is because there are no nurses to man the beds. Look to the management. Every nurse like every other profession expect to see some form of a pay rise especially when the government raises stuff annually so they can make ends meet.

Now can we try and keep this thread civil.

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In summary from all the replies I have been given, one's career starts out in the healthcare industry as a nurse but finishes as a patient.

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In summary from all the replies I have been given, one's career starts out in the healthcare industry as a nurse but finishes as a patient.

And ...the cemetery, that's life, if your born ya die...like me....still with a hecs debt...

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Specializes in Operating Room Nursing.
With all your replies and I have given you all kudos, I still fail to see any logic in closing beds, putting patient lives at risk so NURSES can get a pay rise!

Do not try to convince me that nurses save lives and are saintly when they are closing beds, putting lives at risk so they can get an extra dollar per hour.

You are not in a unique position to demand higher wages, leave the industry and 10 will replace you. Do the maths. Nurses on strike have poor numeracy skills and give nursing a bad name.

Do I really want to be in a industry where I risk patients lives so I can get a pay rise? How many strikes do I have to participate during a nursing career? Am I really focusing on the patient or the money?

Thanks for putting me off a nursing career. No wonder there's a high dropout rate in nursing. You are overworked, over stressed and neurotic. :)

Again you're making bold statements without knowing the facts. No patient's life is being put in danger with the closure of beds, the ANF have set a certain criteria which takes into account patient acuity. If someone has a condition that is life threatening they get a bed.

Do you have some sort of evidence based research to back up your claim that nurses who strike have poor numeracy skills? I would be interested in reading any peer reviewed articles to support this statement.

I also don't see anyone on this thread claiming to be out there saving lives and being saintly, you must have been watching to much TV. Most nurses I know including myself just try to do the best we can with what little or no resources we have.

As for EBA if you actually do some research rather than mouthing off over the internet you'll find that we fight for more than just pay rises, we fight for safe working conditions for patients to improve the quality of care like increasing staffing levels.

With your attitude perhaps you may want to consider hospital administration?

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No patient's life is being put in danger with the closure of beds, the ANF have set a certain criteria which takes into account patient acuity. If someone has a condition that is life threatening they get a bed.- this just reenforces my belief that there are way too many nurses for the number of beds. Close more beds and you will be writing the closing chapter of your nursing career :)

nurses have poor numeracy skills:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471595305001368

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/student-nurses-lack-maths-skills/story-fn6bfmgc-1225991304389

For a newbie like me, I should be a nurse because I can go on strike so I don't have to work, refuse to care for patients because I want more money, have underdeveloped numeracy skills, wipe bums and feel like sheet, and get blamed for everything? hmmmm... there must be a better life

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Please do not answer this OP think his name is glio! Does this for his jollies.Hangs around the threads trying to stir.

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Specializes in Medical.
No patient's life is being put in danger with the closure of beds, the ANF have set a certain criteria which takes into account patient acuity. If someone has a condition that is life threatening they get a bed.- this just reenforces my belief that there are way too many nurses for the number of beds. Close more beds and you will be writing the closing chapter of your nursing career :)

And I'm out - trying to teach a pig to sing just gets you a frustrated teacher and a whole lot of tuneless squealing. And, way too late, I call troll.

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These RNs think they are more important then their patients. I am Sick of these nurses on strike and sick of nurses putting lives at risk so they can get a few more bucks per hour. Outsource all striking nurses and give jobs to overseas RNs who are willing and able or send these nurses to jail. What they are doing is immoral, unethical and illegal. Money hungry pigs.

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Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Think this thread has run it's course and now just a place for placing slurs.

Closing this thread permanently

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